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SundayLeague => Major Competitions & Private league competitions => Topic started by: The Borg on January 25, 2023, 07:37:34 PM
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So, as we know the pre season competitions in the Pre Season are used mainly to get that training benefit while there is no friendlies.
Some managers have expressed it isn't fair that some can't get in etc and we can't keep making more & more just to try get everyone in. Still then people can miss out. Where does it stop?
Where do we want to go with these for the pre season or in general?
It does benefit multiple teams on a budget as you can play a gold league get 14 x training sessions for 500cr. Rather than 1400cr in friendlies. (Myself included I do this, not so much for the credits but because I create and play in them it gives me one less game. I don't need a friendly aswell then)
IMO in the long run I think we should take the training benefit away from ALL private leagues so there is 0 advantage on any of them. Everyone would be on the same playing field. The Official competitions would keep the Gold Cup image so that will remain on your history page and they would still be restartable so they tally up on your history page. No-one would get a pre season training advantage. More emphasis on scheduling your friendlies.
Open for discussion with what you guys think we should do.
Need to do something though so it's fair for all and we don't have more and more Pre Golds. Without the training we wouldn't need the Pre Golds tbh as you could just join other PLs people have created.
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*Bump* So people can see this.
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Just make it one team per manager across all the gold leagues. I still fill all my friendly games in every season but i am partial to a bit of gold...
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I'd say keep the training benefit. We all want to improve our teams. Just make more pre-season golds where needed.
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I'm for removing the training benifit.
If it was only a budget thing, I was ok with it, you can choose to spend the credits for the training benifits.
But because places are limited, it seems unfair to people login in later, or noticing later that the leagues are open.
Creating more leagues is a solution, but then there will always be some teams without a spot, and moderators gets extra work sorting things out, which we all now, in this SL messages systems is alot of time spended for the people that already do so much to keep this game entertaining.
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Agree with Nij - one team per manager and hope it doesn't get abused, perhaps if Borg doesn't mind he could password protect PS3 & Brian could still help out with PS4?
Who would be removing the training benefits anyway, would Junior sort this? More chance of BALDBEAN winning a conference than that happening!
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Agree with Nij - one team per manager and hope it doesn't get abused, perhaps if Borg doesn't mind he could password protect PS3 & Brian could still help out with PS4?
Who would be removing the training benefits anyway, would Junior sort this? More chance of BALDBEAN winning a conference than that happening!
this is his year 😂😂😂
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Agree with Nij - one team per manager and hope it doesn't get abused, perhaps if Borg doesn't mind he could password protect PS3 & Brian could still help out with PS4?
Who would be removing the training benefits anyway, would Junior sort this? More chance of BALDBEAN winning a conference than that happening!
One day 😂😂 winning 6-1-1 is no achievement 🤨🤨
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Agree with Nij - one team per manager and hope it doesn't get abused, perhaps if Borg doesn't mind he could password protect PS3 & Brian could still help out with PS4?
Who would be removing the training benefits anyway, would Junior sort this? More chance of BALDBEAN winning a conference than that happening!
I can remove the training benefit. Also, Brian could and I believe SuperJ has the ability?
there's nothing to it to be honest. Simply 1 click of a button making the competition official or not. You can add or take away training benefit to any private league created.
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Disagree.
This is how it's always been. First come, first served just like any other open PL.
Limiting to 1 team per manager across all gold leagues is the only way to make it fair without creating more and more leagues. Also opening them at different times is a way to give people a chance to get in.
I try and enter the day league as much as possible as I am on a budget. If we were to create a second one that runs constantly, I would be more than happy to create it if given the means to do so.
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Disagree.
This is how it's always been. First come, first served just like any other open PL.
Limiting to 1 team per manager across all gold leagues is the only way to make it fair without creating more and more leagues. Also opening them at different times is a way to give people a chance to get in.
I try and enter the day league as much as possible as I am on a budget. If we were to create a second one that runs constantly, I would be more than happy to create it if given the means to do so.
I agree with Stuart
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I would say leave it alone for the most part Borg, just like the gelling issue. Any slight tweak could turn off people that still enjoy playing the game. We all enjoy different mechanics of the engine and trying to get the best from the game, one for me is trying to constantly attain the best squad strength possible to keep me motivated.
I see Stupac and others are running budget teams which is a hard enough challenge as it is, to turn the training benefits off for them would be unfair and definately lead to less interest. Same with the gelling bug, unless junior or someone could fix it removing it completely would obviously leas to the demise of spending credits on most private leagues which once again will kill the game quicker.
With regards to the 'pre season golds' I would suggest getting them open on days 36-37 and keeping the last one password protected with 16 teams maybe until days 40-43 reducing the teams if necessary to get the last comp going on time. I would be happy to keep one of my reserve teams on standby to get the comp going on time, or even run a potential larger final gold league if time is the issue. I'm on here fairly often throughout the day.
As annoying as the bugs are I accept them for what they are and do my best to navigate.
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What day of the season do friendlies end? If a pre season gold league is running in place of friendlies presumably players would still be improving stat wise?
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It shouldn't be a substitute for a budget. The whole idea is you pay for friendlies to training up your teams. Shouldn't be part of the game IMO. Why it was added when this version was made who knows. It's like the KO glitch thing with the 3 subs which it's widely used. Shouldn't be part of the game because if you don't do it you stand no chance. This we actually have an opportunity to change unlike the KO subs. So nobody at all gets an advantage. Completely fair. Doesn't require Junior.
Anyway, it would appear that most above are putting forward about limiting it to 1 team. Providing of course people don't abuse that. There's a few hidden teams about. Some I don't know who they're. Trial and error I guess. See who enters. If that's the way we go.
We could always keep 2 maybe 3 Pre Golds at most and make them bigger leagues. 12/14/16 team entrants. I create 1, Brian does 1 and I can ask SuperJ (he entered 1 last season). That would be limited to 1 team per manager over ALL leagues.
Gull, your last friendly is 2 days after your last league game.
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Gull, your last friendly is 2 days after your last league game.
Could be losing 2 to 3 days of player improvements if pre-season golds are removed? Very rough estimate but average player could lose around 3% to certain stats depending on training over course of 8 seasons.
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That also takes in 2 days on the new season aswell I believe. So your probably looking at 5 days. Also, nice rest boost. Which could be handy if you have alot of PLs.
I get why people want to keep it, I understand. They want to train and not miss out but this is the point. Some are getting this and some aren't on the game. Hence why it was mentioned that it is unfair, which I agree which is why I made this thread. Unless you know about Official PLs giving training then you probably wouldn't enter. The fairest way is to remove it from all Official so nobody gets an advantage. That's just my opinion.
I think it was 30 different managers entered last season and then some multiple teams on top of that. So all of them (Myself included) got an advantage on everyone else on the game who didn't enter.
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I personally don't see a problem at the moment. The game mechanics can accomodate for the supply/demand balance. Supply is the available spaces in private leagues, and demand being those who wish to enter. Those who wish to enter should hopefully be aware or be made aware of when the friendly games begin(Day 3) and end(Day 44), and make a mental or physical note somewhere of the exact calendar date of when Pre season comps are likely to start. I dont think I've forgotten yet, much like when it comes to sending out friendlies at the start of each season. There is then approximately a further week buffer zone for late comers to enter into a larger league that could be reduced to match demand? How many teams on here even pay for friendly games now? Are we likely to see hundreds in demand for extra training? Maybe a few decades ago.
What do other people think? There are a lot of teams who play who havn't said their opinions yet, and there seems to be a lot of people asking for 1 team only who appear to have a single team which just so happens to match their biases perfectly. But at the very least I'd like to be able to focus my main team on training benefits going forward.
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Why not turn training benefit on for all private league and make it fair that way? Same result we will all be in the same boat.
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IWhat do other people think? There are a lot of teams who play who havn't said their opinions yet, and there seems to be a lot of people asking for 1 team only who appear to have a single team which just so happens to match their biases perfectly.
You're being disingenuous, Antony. You, Imps etc with multiple teams take up spaces whilst other users with one team don't get a place, you can't say that's fair!
I like the idea of a bigger league starting earlier and agree that training benefits shouldn't be taken away. My shower of shite needs all the improvement it can get.
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IWhat do other people think? There are a lot of teams who play who havn't said their opinions yet, and there seems to be a lot of people asking for 1 team only who appear to have a single team which just so happens to match their biases perfectly.
You're being disingenuous, Antony. You, Imps etc with multiple teams take up spaces whilst other users with one team don't get a place, you can't say that's fair!
I like the idea of a bigger league starting earlier and agree that training benefits shouldn't be taken away. My shower of shite needs all the improvement it can get.
You could point out I'm probably holding to a form of normalcy bias myself, but I dont think disingenuous fits my position here, since it would imply I'm pretending to have no knowledge of an issue to which I just offered a solution to(How can the latter exist without the former?), and a fitting analogy within the game itself to which almost everyone can hold themselves to? Perhaps my words are being read but not heard. Not that I don't have sympathy with those who have missed out in the past, but with a set timeline in their knowledge it would certainly function.
Anyway, what dates(game days) are proposed for the creation of the Pre season leagues, how many teams in each league and are there any mechanisms suggested to accomodate for late-comers or general fluctuations in demand?
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Will agree to disagree, didn't think your comment was sincere but there we go. Not sure you were offended from recent posts about you taking up multiple spots whilst others were missing out with their only team.
Guess a 16 league would have to start way in advance? Would almost become a mid & pre season league all in one ;D
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I'm in favour of just keeping everything to how it is.
Only problem is that multiple teams from same user (including myself) join up.
We need to have a gentlemans agreement where it is only 1 team per manager for Pre Season Gold competitions.
Another idea would be to get another in game admin that is able to create a few more Pre Seasons as Borg, Brian & Jason shouldn't open up multiple at a time.. Would not be fair on them to play so many matches. I have asked Junior before to make me an in game admin but he has not...
Borg, Perhaps you can reach out to Junior and get him to make a couple more in game admins. It does not matter to me if I am not one but think this would certainly help rather than making 16 team leagues for a pre season which will take half a season to complete.
If we can get 4 in game admins to open 2 pre seasons each, that is 8 leagues which would cover 56 single user teams which I think is more than enough.
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Will agree to disagree, didn't think your comment was sincere but there we go. Not sure you were offended from recent posts about you taking up multiple spots whilst others were missing out with their only team.
Guess a 16 league would have to start way in advance? Would almost become a mid & pre season league all in one ;D
Not offended, I just dont like potentially ill thought out changes done purely on impulse, so if there's a change to be made the model should accomodate for the supply/demand balancing. For example if we have the 1 team rule in place, there is the chance that certain leagues do not fill up, then what? Is an exception made for one privileged second team to get the league started? Does a random team have to enter their single team into 2 leagues? Does a dud team have to be entered to make up the numbers? Does somebody have to spam all active users to find a participant?
If rules are to be made, lets make sure the new system works.
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Perhaps there can be a password protected pre season gold only available for managers with mulitple teams so if you want your 2nd team to join you only join a pre season with other 2nd teams.
If you have more than 2 teams then I don't know lol.
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Right.....I've not been active on SL1 for a long time. But, i actually can't see the point of these Pre Season Gold Leagues! This site seems to have become over complicated to benefit old time users at the detriment of new users. Surely if everyone wants an equal playing field and more competition going forward with new users involved , and given a chance to compete....this competition should just be finished for good. New users sign up and understand the Friendly Ladder concept, they did decades ago. We all learned the the way the game worked back then and enjoyed it for what it was. Seems to me that people have lost the concept of SL and are just pushing to gain an advantage that brings success for themselves. I remember a time when we were a community who were inclusive of ideas if it meant we grew support.The lack of support from Junior , in my opinion, has caused fractures that would have not happened if this site had been properly run as a serious franchise.
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Well in Ty - From one old time user to another, You hit the nail on the head.
Removing them completely would solve all problems
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Agreed Ty and Banger.
I have actually been really surprised with the responses on this thread. Some of the managers responses who are happy to keep the training benefit knowingly that there is going to be an advantage gained on any manager who doesn't enter. I have had multiple managers express to me the unfairness of it. Which is spot on, it is. It's been a problem for a while now and it needs nipping in the bud. We have the tools to change it. Unlike all the other stuff on this game that can't be changed so it is fair for ALL.
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Agreed Ty and Banger.
I have actually been really surprised with the responses on this thread. Some of the managers responses who are happy to keep the training benefit knowingly that there is going to be an advantage gained on any manager who doesn't enter. I have had multiple managers express to me the unfairness of it. Which is spot on, it is. It's been a problem for a while now and it needs nipping in the bud. We have the tools to change it. Unlike all the other stuff on this game that can't be changed so it is fair for ALL.
I think you know why i say what i do Nathan? If something isnt done as soon as possible, this site goes as SL2.....its down to about 7 users!
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I have to say I'm actually very surprised myself with some of the suggestions lately, not just on this issue, but with things like gelling too. While I completely agree there are bugs and problems that should be ironed out, it appears Junior doesn't have the knowledge or time to do so. But that does not necessarily translate to 'turn off gelling', or 'turn off bonus training because I missed it' are good logical solutions, neither does it 'fix all problems' to anyone not stuck in tunnel vision. Above all none of those can be stated whilst hiding behind 'saving the game'.
If you turn off gelling completely, you obviously lower demand for private leagues as a consequence.
If you turn off the training benefits, once again you lower demand, and in a supposedly 'fair for ALL' action you force managers like Stupac to either pay up for friendly games or not compete at their current level. Once again potentially lowering demand on their part, and on those that are willing to pay for the Gold leagues.
This whole issue has come about due to a demand issue has it not? Where managers for whatever reason have missed out on places in Gold leagues. We have the extra supply to accomodate for this demand easily, whether it be by increasing the number of leagues or number of teams in each league, or perhaps capping the amount of teams each user may enter. But instead just take the supply away and kill demand for growth? That is an inverse of reality.
If demand falls the game slides, this is a business still after all. I apologise for reapeating Supply/Demand, but how are people not understanding this concept and then telling themselves they are helping the game(business). Especially when there is the supply here to match demand.
The best option would probably be to increase friendly games right up until the final game of the season, restarting on day 2 or 3, and leaving the training bonus on the day league for budget teams, but once again It sounds like Junior would not be able to make a change such as this.
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I agree with Antony, just create bigger / more league(s). If we're short on teams just enter a few duds. Will take a bit of organising of course.
As it stands removing the pre-season gold leagues will mean 16,000 extra credits circulating - will this help the transfer market?
Not sure if a lot of teams are aware of the pre season gold benefits? Perhaps the admin guy masquerading as a game software developer could put a message on the SL load up screen listing benefits - then up to the managers if they want to stump up 500 credits to enter?
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I agree with Antony, just create bigger / more league(s). If we're short on teams just enter a few duds. Will take a bit of organising of course.
Kush has offered to create one if he was made an admin. That could be a potential of 64 teams accross 4 leagues. More if some admns continue with 2 leagues. Or I could volunteer to do one too. If any of the 16 team leagues struggle to fill with the end of season approaching, they could be reduced to the nearest even number(eg 14) and filled with a dud, or 12 and 3 reserve teams.
As it stands removing the pre-season gold leagues will mean 16,000 extra credits circulating - will this help the transfer market?
Yeah thats a good point linking to another recent problem, if less credits are spent on leagues made redundant, then theres more credits spent on the markets where Junior will not or cannot increase the Supply of players. Plus if you remove training potential even more emphasis will be put on acquiring top quality players on the transfer market rather than buying cheap and training.
Not sure if a lot of teams are aware of the pre season gold benefits? Perhaps the admin guy masquerading as a game software developer could put a message on the SL load up screen listing benefits - then up to the managers if they want to stump up 500 credits to enter?
I actually think this would be a great way to make the game fairer for all the budget teams. We all know you can take points off the strongest teams with a fairly strong team, but there is a massive gap where those who dont pay for the extra training sessions just can't compete with the strongest. If you offer these 'weaker' teams the 14-30 days of pre season Gold's with extra training for 500 credits, that will definately help them bridge the gap somewhat. They won't get the full 46 days of double training a season like those who pay for friendlies, but they could at least have the opportunity to train their really cheap players faster making the game more competitive and enjoyable for themselves?
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Excellent points made by Antony and Gull 👍
If the only issue with this is managers complaining that they missed out, (it is a first come, first served system after all) then as has been mentioned, we just increase supply to match the demand.
Like any other big PL, let's get a sign up sheet going for all those that would like to enter a pre season gold league. And make all managers aware of the benefits of joining such a league.
Then, when the time comes toward the end of the season, we know exactly how many teams want to enter and how many leagues need to be created. And there can be no complaints of unfairness or missing out as the chance was there to sign up.
I'm sure most people still playing this game would love nothing more than for this game to be buzzing with life and for new managers to stick around to become competitive teams. As Antony has said, these leagues are a great way to bridge the gap, however small, between the big and small teams.
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The whole problem here is basically managers are missing out on joining any of the pre seasons due to basically being to late.
Now we all know it's a first come first serve basis but the manager who missed out feels it is unfair if there are limited spaces and mulitple are being taken from one user or users who run various teams.
I completely get and understand it's a first come first serve, it's your fault if you miss out but I can also understand the frustration from the other perspective.
To fix this problem is to basically make more Pre season leagues, it's really not that difficult.
We already have 3 in game admins that can make 2 pre seasons each, get a couple of more admins and there you go. I am more than happy to do this and so is Antony... I can message Junior sometime today to try make us admins and explain to him the situation.
Gelling is a very important part of the game and it does have an effect on the match engine as it is one of the traits the match engine is dependant on when giving an output. It would be ridiculous to remove gelling and I don't agree with that whatsoever. Moreover, gelling will never be removed because we all know Junior does not know his way around the code or structure of the backend any longer. Gelling just needs to be fixed as it's filled with bugs but even that is to much for Junior. I'd rather keep gelling how it is right now than remove it. I've lost out on gelling countless times particular towards the end of the season which then has a knock on effect for the new season but I just learn to deal with it...
Perhaps Junior should look into ChatGPT to try resolve some issues.... That thing is seriously very very powerful.
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I still have Admin Powers so I’d be able to start a league with Brian and Borg
I’m of the opinion though that these pre season leagues are just causing more problems than good.
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I intitally read that as Austin Powers first... ;D
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To fix this problem is to basically make more Pre season leagues, it's really not that difficult.
We already have 3 in game admins that can make 2 pre seasons each, get a couple of more admins and there you go. I am more than happy to do this and so is Antony... I can message Junior sometime today to try make us admins and explain to him the situation.
Why not just make all Private Leagues give users extra training then? This would encourage users to make PL's and also create a fairer playing field for all. In my opinion these Pre Season Leagues are just over-complicating the way users look at training, especially new users. Many of which who will look at the Friendly Schedule as very expensive and feel they can't compete without spending a fortune on credits. My opinion is just get rid if people will be unhappy with just adding more admin and leaving this open to exploitation.
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I intitally read that as Austin Powers first... ;D
Yeah Baby ;D ;D ;D
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Interesting reading some of the comments above.
I certainly don't feel more admins to create more competitions is the way forward but it looks like we might be moving that way just like that. Bit of a kick in the teeth really. If Junior wants to add more admins and is happy with the situation once explained to him then I will be taking a step back from creating the official private leagues. I will still try to enter if that's the route we go down so I don't miss out like many sadly will on the game. Which sums it up really.
It needs phasing out starting next season competition by competition when each competition needs restarting. That gives everyone a chance to get a full friendly schedule. Everyone gets the chance at the same amount of training. As Kush said above with regards missing out on a Pre Gold it's your fault. If your late in sending out your friendlies then that is your fault. Ample opportunity to do so though. It really isn't difficult to fill a full schedule. Done it with my 2nd team in 2 days then if not then you get the automatic filled slots on the 3rd day. It will cost abit more 1400cr for 14 friendlies with training rather than 500cr for 14 training sessions you get out of a 8 team official league but that's how the game is designed to play. Why should team X pay 1400cr for what Team Y is getting exactly the same for 900cr less potentially over and over again.
These competitions have caused sooooooooo many problems with what comes with them.
There is arguments for and against on here with a fairly even spread. I have given why I think it's unfair and stand by it. The very small mini boom is over and the game is stuck in a rut where it benefits some not all teams which is something I'd like to change. Your screwed from the get go - For starters I bet you probably still don't get a verification email, No help on the help pages to explain what to do, bugged and glitched to high heaven, Game taken advantage of and no chance to make any money. It's no wonder no-one new sticks about. It's amazing Junior keeps it going really.
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To fix this problem is to basically make more Pre season leagues, it's really not that difficult.
We already have 3 in game admins that can make 2 pre seasons each, get a couple of more admins and there you go. I am more than happy to do this and so is Antony... I can message Junior sometime today to try make us admins and explain to him the situation.
Why not just make all Private Leagues give users extra training then? This would encourage users to make PL's and also create a fairer playing field for all. In my opinion these Pre Season Leagues are just over-complicating the way users look at training, especially new users. Many of which who will look at the Friendly Schedule as very expensive and feel they can't compete without spending a fortune on credits. My opinion is just get rid if people will be unhappy with just adding more admin and leaving this open to exploitation.
If all PLs were to be given extra training then there is no point in playing any friendly games.
Adding admins is not a need yes you are right there Borg but since there seems to be a high demand for Pre Season Golds, if you and the other in game admins are willing to open up more Pre Season Golds making you play more games and setting up then that is fine by me. I only suggested adding a couple more admins to ease any burdens on you, Brian and Jason.
The easiest thing to do without the need of adding extra admins would be to increase the number of teams from 8 to lets say 10/12 and opening up these competitions earlier than usual. If a a particular league does not get filled up within the time, the creator can easily reduce the amount of total teams.
It seems there is a lot of controversy surrounding this and it is quite baffling.
IMO the Official Day, Cider and Gold leagues should be removed as soon as they are finished and never re opened. Only open up knockout competitions under this banner and then include Pre Season Golds when needed to cover the training you miss out during the end of the season. Re open knockout competitions during the season until a set day i.e when it is time to open Pre Season Golds, don't open up any KOs until the new season.
If you remove these league structured competitions then everyone will have to use friendlies for extra training benefit which is the ORIGINAL and should be the only way of getting this benefit. I understand it might hurt teams/2nd teams and spending more credits but if everybody follows this routine then you can not complain about anything as everyone will be following one certain system.
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The following knockout competitions should always be re opened:
1. SL Official WC - (500cr fee, 32/64 teams)
2. Official Catgames Cup (300cr fee, 16 teams)
3. Official Server Cup (0 fee, 64 teams) - once a season
4. Ag Memorial Cup (o fee, 32/64 teams) - Once a season
Could always add an extra KO if there is demand.
The following league competitions (ALL) should be removed completely:
1. Official Day League
2. Official Cider League
Open up pre season golds with 10 teams per league:
1. Pre Season Gold 1
2. Pre Season Gold 2
3. Pre Season Gold 3
4. Pre Season Gold 4
5. Pre Season Gold 5
6. Pre Season Gold 6
. We have 3 in game admins (Borg, Brian, Jason) that can open up 2 each.
. Pre Season Gold with 10 teams will take 18 days to complete so this must be started by maximum day 31/47 of the season.
. Can open these by day 29... Should take a day to fill up especially if community is notified these have opened up.
. Once these Pre Season Golds have been opened, do not reopen any knockout competition until the new season (so that you only get extra benefit if you join Pre Gold).
I think this is an easy and sensible approach?
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If you want to remove the Official Day/Cider Leagues in the name of fairness, then you might as well remove all Pre Season Gold leagues too. If you think Friendlies should be the only way to gain extra training, then Pre Season Golds shouldn't exist. Everyone would have the same week or so of no extra training at the end/start of a season.
This is a competitive management game, in which everyone has a different approach and takes advantage of various things that the game offers. I'd personally like to see more of these league, not take them away.
Unless there is any sort of effort from Junior to try and fix SL I am not paying 4.5k into his pocket every season just to be competitive in this broken game.
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If you want to remove the Official Day/Cider Leagues in the name of fairness, then you might as well remove all Pre Season Gold leagues too. If you think Friendlies should be the only way to gain extra training, then Pre Season Golds shouldn't exist. Everyone would have the same week or so of no extra training at the end/start of a season.
This is a competitive management game, in which everyone has a different approach and takes advantage of various things that the game offers. I'd personally like to see more of these league, not take them away.
Unless there is any sort of effort from Junior to try and fix SL I am not paying 4.5k into his pocket every season just to be competitive in this broken game.
The only reason to why Pre Season Golds should stay is to cover the extra training after you finish your friendly fixtures.
If playing friendlies continued all the way until the final day of the season, we wouldn't need pre season golds in the first place but unfortunately this is not the case and it will never be so if you want to get your extra training in, you have no choice but to join a pre season. I don't see a problem in this. I only join Pre Season gold for the this benefit, I do not care about the results or where I am placed. If the friendly ladder was scheduled to day 47, I would not need to join.
What I see is a problem where there is a loophole in the game that allows users to get the same benefits as others but pay less credits. I've never had an issue with this in the first place because I set up all my friendlies every season and pay the 4.5K, it does not matter to me but at the end of the day it is a sort of loophole which really should not be here in the first place. This is not an advantage in a game... An example of an advantage in a game is to play 253 longball. I say it should not be allowed because you should be scheduling friendlies to get this benefit.. That is why the friendly ladder was created by the devs in the first place. If you was in Junior's position and knew what you was doing, you would never allow this. You should not have options to get extra benefits, it should come from once direct source i.e the friendly ladder. If you want to keep the gold leagues open then sure but it should not come with perks other than trying to win a gold official SL cup and some credits.
Anyway as I said, it does not matter to me anyway whether people do this or not but Pre Seasons should stay opened just for the fact that it is covering the days where you don't have a scheduled friendly.
This game is dying day by day and Junior doesn't even care so do whatever you want :D
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Time to cause abit of uproar...
So I have messaged Brian and SuperJ my position. This season will be my final season I restart my Pre Gold Leagues. My 2 I open will be open at the end of this season but after that I won't restart them. If Brian wants to restart his or SuperJ takes them over or Junior gives more people admin in game then that's their decision. Not gonna ask or force them not to do it.
Just about the restart the Official Day league which WILL have training with it as some who join don't have friendlies to cover but as of next season I will be taking the training away from that competition. So I suggest anybody who normally enters that gets in a full schedule of friendlies next season. It will still be available to enter as a restartable PL with a Gold Cup just without training. Same goes to the following competitions Official Cider League, Official WC, Official Catgames Cup, Official Server Cup and Ag Memorial Cup. All available with a Gold Cup without the benefit.
I will send messages out at the weekend to promote the Official Server Cup and Ag Memorial Cup to get them filled before my little Bambino arrives in 3 weeks and I don't have the time.
But yeah, anyway, hope you respect my decision on it. Thats where I stand. If you need any help you can find/message me in game will try my best to help as I am still playing..
Take it easy guys
Borg out!
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Good work Borg. And congratulations mate! Amazing news 8)
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I agree with Borgs statement and "I will open them for 1 final time at the end of this season due to people not having a full friendly schedule and expecting them to be open but that will be my last time I open them giving people time to fill their friendlies up."
Brian
:) 8) :)
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Congratulations Borg! Hope everything goes well.
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So the majority of responses here were in favour of keeping things as they are, yet they are now being changed anyway... :o
On a non game related note, congrats Borg, hope all goes well! 🎉
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Thanks for the heads up Borg. Much congratulations and best of luck for the little one.
If Borg and Brian will not be creating Pre Season Golds from next season, then that only leaves Jason who will be able to create and that's if he decides to do so. If Jason does, obviously he can not open up 4+ Pre Season Golds so we will have no option but to try and recruit a couple more in game admins.
I don't really want to put myself as an in game admin. If anybody is interested in becoming an in game admin to open up gold competitions, please let me know. It really should be someone who knows the game and knows what they are doing which is the majority of us anyway. I assume the majority of people still want these competitions up and running so they should be continued. If Borg or any other admin open up the other gold competitions (official league, cider, ko comps) with or without training benefits that is fine by me. As I said before, it really does not bother me in anyway whether the bonus stays or not, I am only bothered by Pre Season Golds :D
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If Borg and Brian will not be creating Pre Season Golds from next season, then that only leaves Jason who will be able to create and that's if he decides to do so. If Jason does, obviously he can not open up 4+ Pre Season Golds so we will have no option but to try and recruit a couple more in game admins.
I don't really want to put myself as an in game admin. If anybody is interested in becoming an in game admin to open up gold competitions, please let me know.
Why exactly would anyone want an admin role? Junior has done nothing to improve this as a game that will ever be developed going forward. Looking back.....there isn't any going forward because he abused those who tried their best only to be sold false promises?
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Congrats for the baby, Borg!
We are expecting a little girl in 3 weeks also :)
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If Borg and Brian will not be creating Pre Season Golds from next season, then that only leaves Jason who will be able to create and that's if he decides to do so. If Jason does, obviously he can not open up 4+ Pre Season Golds so we will have no option but to try and recruit a couple more in game admins.
I don't really want to put myself as an in game admin. If anybody is interested in becoming an in game admin to open up gold competitions, please let me know.
Why exactly would anyone want an admin role? Junior has done nothing to improve this as a game that will ever be developed going forward. Looking back.....there isn't any going forward because he abused those who tried their best only to be sold false promises?
It would just be to set up pre season golds as most still want it to be available at the end of every season and if there is only 1 user (Jason) that can create, there will be to much demand and not enough supply. I don't even know what an ''admin'' can do in game apart from setting up gold comps. Feedback is broken and I don't believe it gets forwarded to an admin and I don't even think an admin can send a green message to everyone in the server...
We all know the state of the game and all we know how Junior operates... We can moan about it a million times (in which everyone has every right to do so lol) and call him out but the situation will never change. Just going to have to deal with what we have know until the game goes offline for good.
Lots of users are still active in this game, some take it more serious than others, some are still trying to break records even till now, some even still love the game and good for them but since that is the case, we can't just allow the situation to get worse, we as a community have to now help each other in order to continue playing this game. As an example, I do the TCL/TEL/TEC, COC every season, Brian does FL, Borg set up gold competitions... Without these additions, game would be so dead as there would be no competition other than your conference... If we just allow these competitions to die off I see no point playing this game any longer.
Congrats for the baby, Borg!
We are expecting a little girl in 3 weeks also :)
Congratulations Mihai :) - Very happy for you both!
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Well the thread started because it wasn't fair that people were missing out from pre-season golds and Borg's latest post has confirmed next season it's likely even less leagues will be open. ;D
I agree with Stupac, pretty clear the answer was to make more leagues but that's not what Borg wanted so wits likely we'll have even less pre-seasons than when we first started.
Anyway, why does Borg get the say to remove benefits of gold leagues that nobody wants? If I'm made an admin can I add them back on? Will I be able to ban BALDBEAN from the chat aswell?
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I am happy to put myself forward to set up one or more gold competitions, if that's the route we choose to take.
Also big congrats to Mihai too! 🎉
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Congratulations to the Borg and Mihai on the baby arrivals, I understand game time may rightfully take a hit!
I would be happy to run some pre season leagues myself if needed. I believe the majortiy probably want these leagues to continue, but if the executive decision by the current admins is put forward anyway I am confident in my own abilities to adapt accordingly making time more efficient.
Good luck to all.
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Thanks guys. I will just get online to change trainings and set the basics.
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I messaged Junior Thursday 17th in order to discuss next steps regarding Gold competitions but he has not even bothered to reply back to me.
I sent another message yesterday and today but yet still nothing.
It's things like this that make me never want to play this game again. Trying my best to keep the game alive along with even still paying for credits but get absolutely nothing in return.
Imagine a kind homeless person asks you for some change/giving food and you oblige but then instead of him thanking you, he says fuck off...
It is honestly ridiculous to have a owner like this... It should be illegal! No care whatsoever and this simply can not continue.
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100% agree Kush and perhaps it is illegal.
When I say I'm playing this game on a budget, I am not being cheap, I just don't want to reward this shady business model.
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This tool has still not even bothered to message me back so fuck him, I'm done with him.
Sorry guys but I have tried my best to the right thing always but when this fool does not reply back or even have a care in the world, there is nothing I or anybody else can do.
I will not be setting up competitions next season as stated in my previous post so whoever wants to do it next season can, feel free to open up sign up sheet and do what you have to do.
I have found caretakers for my team so I am just waiting to exit the TCL competitions and I'll be handing them over.
It was a pleasure to play with you all and I wish everyone in the SL Community nothing but the very best in all aspects of life.
I intended to come back towards the end of the year but I don't even know no more.
I'll probably drop by the forums/telegram chat every now and then to see how things are and if anybody should require advice/help/support, please feel free to message me on telegram but if you need a middle man to get in contact with tool Junior, please do not ask me as I will not be messaging him any longer. You can also message my caretaker who can get in touch with me directly should you have to.
I will not be naming my caretakers, if they want to reveal themselves, that is on them.
Thanks and best of luck to all.
Kush
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;D ;D ;D
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I totally understand you Kush.
Maybe you'll reconsider at the end of the year.
It will be good for you to have this break. But not too long, please. I will miss kicking your but ;)
All the best in real life !
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I'll do your TCL/TEL/TEL competition's until you return Kush. I'm sure you'll be back when you get bored of having no stress. Haha
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I've missed the pre-season gold rush again.
Borg can you set up 1 last 1 for me and the others that missed out before they all stop next season please?
I have loads of new players that require all the training they can get