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Offline The Borg

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The future of the Gold competitions.
« on: May 17, 2018, 03:54:36 PM »
This has been a sore subject in the past but I think it’s worth bringing up again to see what everybody thinks.

I have been biting my tongue of late but after it nearly happened to me again today I think it’s worth saying something.

Some might think I’m spitting my dummy out but I’m sure it’s happened to others. I’m not in it for the credits or the training. I’m in it to win it.
It happened in the pre gold before (DVG not turning up handing my nearest opponents a 9-0 win where I have to play properly) and the cider today ( Skally not turning up handing my opponent a 11-0 win where I have to play properly) and I bet it will happen in the pre gold currently running.
I understand it can happen. Things happen but it’s all to regular now. I don’t know if it’s the training issue where were getting any random people enter or some managers are ignorant to how much it can effect a league but something needs to change.
I don’t mind people joining and just playing attack etc. As long as every game is set up but hNding out 11-0 9-0 wins and then turning up for a few days and then going again isn’t on.

If people can’t commit for the full schedule of the games please don’t enter.
What can we do? Password protect the comps? Make more? It’s pretty difficult to police but it’s ruining what little game we have left.
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Re: The future of the Gold competitions.
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2018, 06:13:36 PM »
Hello Borg,

I think that you have been incredibly unlucky to be fair. Sometimes people cant log in for genuine reasons.

My advice is that you leave the leagues as they are for now and not bring in any restrictions. If anything, I think we need another official private league, the demand is there for extra ones, maybe try a pre-cider league with 16 teams playing every day.
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Re: The future of the Gold competitions.
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2018, 12:26:40 AM »
Sorry about that Borg.  Hadn't realised.  I'm finding it very hard to play in the afternoon comps these days so I will pull out of the golds and FLs if that makes it fairer.  I have been trying in the FL  but the Gold Leagues, after  I just enter mainly for training benefits.
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Re: The future of the Gold competitions.
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2018, 07:14:54 AM »
Thanks for replying Cove & DVG.

I think that’s a case of point proven? Thank you DVG  ;D

Unfortunately for the FL guys the very thing I was talking about will effect them too. 7 games in. Very interesting.


Also see Skally on chat “no set up o well”. Sorry but it’s not o well as it effects other managers.

I understand sometimes people can’t set up. Something has to change.

If only the training benefit could be removed then the demand would be lower and the intentions of those entering (for what the leagues etc are actually made for) would be right.
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Re: The future of the Gold competitions.
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2018, 09:52:51 AM »
I didn't set up yesterday. Was busy at work and didn't get chance. I was gutted. Hate throwing points away.

I don't want the training benefits removed. It's the only reason I can have a second team. I think in general people turn up most of the time. We just have to accept that sometimes it benefits you and sometimes it doesn't. I was the beneficiary of DVG not turning up. But I have also been beaten because a team that hasn't played for a week suddenly turn up against me. Derailed my title push last season.

Just put on a friendly reminder to make sure people play fair. I don't think anyone does it deliberately to screw over others. On the whole it's a very fairly played game.

And this season I hope I can finally beat you Borg!! Ha
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Re: The future of the Gold competitions.
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2018, 02:40:12 PM »
Please don't remove the training benefit from the official leagues.

I'm not sure what can be done to encourage people to set up every day but removing the training benefit will affect everyone, not just the people who may not be able to set up. People not setting up may be unfair but removing the training benefit would also be unfair to everyone else.

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Re: The future of the Gold competitions.
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2018, 03:04:16 AM »
Please don't remove the training benefit from the official leagues.

I'm not sure what can be done to encourage people to set up every day but removing the training benefit will affect everyone, not just the people who may not be able to set up. People not setting up may be unfair but removing the training benefit would also be unfair to everyone else.

Two wrongs never make a right :-)

Unfair only to those who get regular places in those leagues --- but not to anyone else?

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Re: The future of the Gold competitions.
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2018, 11:39:48 AM »
As it's the weekend I have a bit of time on my hands but I will resist the temptation to set up for this afternoon's pre- season Gold  and the FL   ;D

But thinking about this I do have some thoughts .

I won the Gold league two seasons running and was looking forward to defending it. Due to its popularity once the training benefits were mentioned on the forum I wasn't able to get back into it for the next couple of seasons and lost my interest in it.  It can't really rank as a top competition if entry to it is so arbitrary as to be the managers who happen to be on line at the time it is open.  This is in complete contrast to the FL where entry is open to all managers over and extended period of a week or so and Steve actively contacts new managers to invite them to join. What's more, you have to qualify for the top leagues in the FL by working your way through the lower leagues first.  Therefore I didn't really see the Gold League as a high status competition. If you want to change that you would need to manage entry into it a little more.

The Champions League which Dan is managing is also becoming a really top competition.

The situation with the pre-season Gold is even more confusing. It states that it will only be run pre-season   but is actually run more than once a season. It was introduced to cope with high demand for the Gold League which was driven by the publicity given to training benefits on the forum ( right or wrong).

Demand for a competition that gives training and gelling benefits in pre-season is always going to be high from managers who are wanting to win top conferences or do well in a tough early season Champions Shield or Elite Cup draw because the lack of scheduled games during the preseason period means that stats otherwise drop making it hard to compete against good teams who have managed this.

 Nothing was ever said about whether entry to both competitions was acceptable although several managers who got into neither have complained about that but complaints from some do not equal rules for all. The situation is unclear. The pre-season Gold never seemed as it carried any Kudos at all to me. I was quite surprised to hear that not setting up my team for all matches in that was causing angst.

So, my suggestion if you want to make the Gold League high status would be to manage entry,  according to some criteria that could be discussed here, and then control it via password.  In order to satisfy the people who just want training benefits from the "gold" leagues you could open as many "pre-season"  or "supplementary" gold leagues as is needed..as soon as one fills, open another so that there is always one available.  You could also decide if people should be able to enter only one or more than one.  This latter aspect could be based on trust or, if it is really considered important, by password. I suspect trust would be enough.

A possible criteria for entry to a high status Gold League  could be " the team must have won any competition in the past under the current manager"  This shouldn't include lower divisions of conferences. If that's to wide you could consider narrowing it or you could say that you would then select from those that meet the criteria by current order in the managers table for example.

I know that involves work for somebody but if you want the Gold League to have the same sort of Kudos as the FL  or CL it may be what's necessary.  You can't just open the competition to all comers on the day the previous one finishes and expect it to be respected.

The Gold Cups are a different kettle of fish to the Gold League in my opinion.  In a cup ( knockout) competition if somebody does  not set up and loses the only person who loses is themselves..others who are still in the competition cant complain that they had a a tougher match. So hopefully the problem  is just with the Gold League competition.

Hope that helps.




« Last Edit: May 19, 2018, 03:40:03 PM by davidvangaal »
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Re: The future of the Gold competitions.
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2018, 12:29:03 AM »
My view would be that anything like the Gold league should be open to all who wish to compete in it.  Not a matter of who logs in at the right time.  Or it shouldn't exist. 

If it continues in its current form I will, in future, consider doing my best to enter every time and then play silly buggers within it (in as many ways that silly buggers can be played as I can manage). A touch of anarchy where it would be deserved, if probably not particularly effective.

No doubt those entered will be happy regardless of that because all they want is the extra training, so desperate are they to get that little bit of added advantage.  Doubtless some will say "No, not me" and to those I'd say prove it and don't even try to enter.

And too those who argue for wanting or needing that little leg-up, I'd say, simply, it is why the Gold League or anything like it, is plain wrong. And wanting it is sad.

Lynne.

PS It'd be nice if anyone agreeing with me could make the effort of appending a few words to this thread to say so.






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Re: The future of the Gold competitions.
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2018, 01:25:03 PM »
I enter the gold league for the extra training benefits. I have no chance of ever winning it but i set my team up everyday and i normally finish in mid-table.

I have no problem with saying that the only reason i enter is for training and morale benefits. In my view, we need another league like the gold league and pre-gold league. Let everyone benefit from the extra training if that is what everyone would like.
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Re: The future of the Gold competitions.
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2018, 01:55:43 PM »
After reading the replies above, in my opinion the 'Gold leagues' should be scrapped or the training benefit taken away from them right away.

Correct me if i am wrong but i don't think the reason they were introduced in the first instance was that managers could dodge paying for friendlies. this has always been part of the game and should stay that way. if managers want the extra training benefits then they should pay for it through friendlies, end of story!! i tried to be fly a couple of seasons back and wait to get a space in pre-gold or gold and missed out as they were filled within a short time of being opened. i then struggled to fulfill the friendly slots for the season, total pain in the arse! remove this temptation i say.

you also DO NOT get double training if you have a gold slot and a friendly in the same afternoon.
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Re: The future of the Gold competitions.
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2018, 07:52:11 AM »
After reading the replies above, in my opinion the 'Gold leagues' should be scrapped or the training benefit taken away from them right away.



you also DO NOT get double training if you have a gold slot and a friendly in the same afternoon.

What about between seasons when no Friendlies are played?

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Re: The future of the Gold competitions.
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2018, 08:39:01 AM »
After reading the replies above, in my opinion the 'Gold leagues' should be scrapped or the training benefit taken away from them right away.



you also DO NOT get double training if you have a gold slot and a friendly in the same afternoon.

What about between seasons when no Friendlies are played?


That was my main reason for entering the pre-season gold.
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Re: The future of the Gold competitions.
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2018, 01:43:09 PM »
After reading the replies above, in my opinion the 'Gold leagues' should be scrapped or the training benefit taken away from them right away.



you also DO NOT get double training if you have a gold slot and a friendly in the same afternoon.

What about between seasons when no Friendlies are played?



What about it?  it's only for a few days and EVERYONE would be on the 'same playing field' isn't that the main argument here..?

 You can't get entry unless you are pretty much logged in continuously and it always seems to be the same managers who get in. Then you have the complaint that not all managers that enter take the league as seriously as they should. It's seen by some as a way to save a couple of thousand credits and get the training for the players also. I like the Gold Leagues and am happy when i manage to get a team in there. But because of the issues that are being discussed here there seems to be little point in them as you will not be able to keep everyone happy. If you open up more Gold leagues then you will have no one paying for friendlies. which makes the friendlies tables/leagues obsolete. You can't have it all ways....

IMHO get rid  :'(


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Re: The future of the Gold competitions.
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2018, 06:01:13 PM »
You can't have it all ways....

IMHO get rid  :'(

I don't disagree.   Probably the best suggestion so far.
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