The future of the Gold competitions.

[davef]

Everyone keeps saying that you get an unfair advantage that's not for all. But that's just wrong. It is for everyone, it's not password protected. Absolutely anyone can enter and everyone knows the benefits. If you desperately want to enter pay attention to when it ends. I haven't missed one in ages because I watch when it ends. It's also posted on the log in page and on the forum.

If you take away the benefits of the gold leagues then you will probably lose a few peoples second and third teams and thus make the whole game worse. I think it's a great way of gaining something without paying a fortune.

Please don't change anything. If you want in then enter. If you enter then set up its just etiquette.

And have you considered how lucky you might have to be to have net access when the places become available?  People might work in jobs where they aren't able to log-in, or lives that occupy them in other ways? 

Frankly, if you are that desperate the that's your choice then I will make my choice and keep good my promise to try to enter and make things "interesting".  Perhaps other might even join me? 

As for "etiquette", doesn't that involve something about standing back and letting others go first?   

I work aswell, I log on twice a day and have never missed out. But I also play all my friendlies so I'm got gaining any advantage. I just want to win one.

And as for the etiquette, in this particular instance I'm referring to the fact that we all enter leagues trying to win and as such don't give others unfair advantages. But if you would like to cause anarchy and go against this particular etiquette then so be it.

But it seems I'm in the vast minority in keeping it advantageous. Never mind.

We appear to still retain some civilised behaviour. But never mind.

Although if you keep thinking it's all about the individual and not the many you will win minor battles but lose more than you ever win.

You say you "just want to win one". One what, I have to ask?  I can't imagine what else it could be if it's not the Gold League --- and if so why --- it's just another PL and they are, in themselves, just a relatively new idea for making money after so many managers were driven away by servers closing. 

As for "If you take away the benefits of the gold leagues then you will probably lose a few peoples second and third teams and thus make the whole game worse. I think it's a great way of gaining something without paying a fortune."   Unless you can somehow explain the meaning of that, I will just take as nonsensical whining. Although you could try?

Finally (hoorah) --- If my dear wifey is willing to have a go at the Gold League if it continues as it is, I reckon I will try to be right there next to her.  And we could enjoy the added benefits (to the detriment of others) while --- obviously --- not feeling happy or selfish about it.

[Ryanparker9]

Everyone keeps saying that you get an unfair advantage that's not for all. But that's just wrong. It is for everyone, it's not password protected. Absolutely anyone can enter and everyone knows the benefits. If you desperately want to enter pay attention to when it ends. I haven't missed one in ages because I watch when it ends. It's also posted on the log in page and on the forum.

If you take away the benefits of the gold leagues then you will probably lose a few peoples second and third teams and thus make the whole game worse. I think it's a great way of gaining something without paying a fortune.

Please don't change anything. If you want in then enter. If you enter then set up its just etiquette.

And have you considered how lucky you might have to be to have net access when the places become available?  People might work in jobs where they aren't able to log-in, or lives that occupy them in other ways? 

Frankly, if you are that desperate the that's your choice then I will make my choice and keep good my promise to try to enter and make things "interesting".  Perhaps other might even join me? 

As for "etiquette", doesn't that involve something about standing back and letting others go first?   

I work aswell, I log on twice a day and have never missed out. But I also play all my friendlies so I'm got gaining any advantage. I just want to win one.

And as for the etiquette, in this particular instance I'm referring to the fact that we all enter leagues trying to win and as such don't give others unfair advantages. But if you would like to cause anarchy and go against this particular etiquette then so be it.

But it seems I'm in the vast minority in keeping it advantageous. Never mind.

We appear to still retain some civilised behaviour. But never mind.

Although if you keep thinking it's all about the individual and not the many you will win minor battles but lose more than you ever win.

You say you "just want to win one". One what, I have to ask?  I can't imagine what else it could be if it's not the Gold League --- and if so why --- it's just another PL and they are, in themselves, just a relatively new idea for making money after so many managers were driven away by servers closing. 

As for "If you take away the benefits of the gold leagues then you will probably lose a few peoples second and third teams and thus make the whole game worse. I think it's a great way of gaining something without paying a fortune."   Unless you can somehow explain the meaning of that, I will just take as nonsensical whining. Although you could try?

Finally (hoorah) --- If my dear wifey is willing to have a go at the Gold League if it continues as it is, I reckon I will try to be right there next to her.  And we could enjoy the added benefits (to the detriment of others) while --- obviously --- not feeling happy or selfish about it.

Morning Dave. I'll start out by saying congrats for last night. Great win.

When I say I just want to win one I mean the gold league. Either of them. They are official competitions and I would get my name in Borgs thread. They are gold trophies and generally have excellent teams in them. Makes sense to me to try and beat the best (hence being gutted to lose to you last night).

The second team part, let me try and explain. I have King Kenny's Army and have bought credits and I have played every friendly possible. However I took over Green Bay Parkers and I don't really want to put money into a second team. By playing in the gold leagues I can train my players cheaply and keep going towards the top. Unfortunately if the benefits were taken away I would have to buy credits at least once a season to keep up and as a tight miserable fella I just can't. Therefore I would lose my 2nd team and I think others would be the same. But I may be wrong it's just my opinion.

And finally, I would love you in the league. To be the best you have to beat the best and you are certainly in that category.

[Cove]

I will add, if I can't train my team to be competitive, then why continue to play? Extra training benefits level the playing field for all.

Cove, this is what friendlies are for. The argument is that the playing field is more level if we remove training benefits from the gold leagues, thereby not benefitting those that are able to be logged in more often and get one of the 16 spots available.

Friendlies are very hard to get for every single day, that makes it harder for weaker players to compete.

Make training benefits available for EVERY SINGLE PRIVATE LEAGUE, then everything is fair for all players, strong and weak.

What is being proposed will KEEP THE STRONG STRONG AND MAKE THE WEAKER, MUCH WEAKER.

[shellyboy100]

Junior won’t put training benefits on every private league, he’d make no profit. You should really be sorting out your friendlies on the first day of the season, which I’m sure everyone here does.

Whatever we do here is a lose-lose situation.
 
If we keep the training benefits, you still have the handful of managers who are pissed off they can’t enter the Gold Leagues.

If you get rid of the training benefits, you are killing off some people’s 2nd team, and lose money going into the game.

I’m not fussed what happens either way, I don’t enter the gold leagues, but this is just my opinion...

[Cove]

Well if not put training benefits on every PL, then just add it to some more leagues then.

I dont mind what happens just so long as the change is fair. Taking away training benefits from private leagues will make the weak much weaker.

[Angele]

Well if not put training benefits on every PL, then just add it to some more leagues then.

I dont mind what happens just so long as the change is fair. Taking away training benefits from private leagues will make the weak much weaker.

I have to suggest I think you have it wrong. For a start, this is about taking training benefits away from one day-time competition. Then look at the teams who, over the seasons, have done well in the Gold League and how many times different teams have appeared in it.  I haven't checked but I'd be amazed if both lists weren't mainly made up of the generally most successful teams. So the strong get stronger and the weak get kept down. How "fair" is that?

The top managers focus. They understand the importance of getting their Friendlies list full and they make the effort to ensure it happens. And not just the "top" managers either but a great many of those currently "mid-range".  There are managers worrying about Gold Leagues and training benefits who don't seem to understand how the game works and can't/won't take advice but prefer to banter among themselves. Get those things right and improvements will come.

I have one team. I have only ever had one team. I concentrate on that team. My other half (DaveF) has had two or more at times but he has had his reasons for doing that. I spend my time and available (limited) money on making my team as successful as it can be. More than one team would mean splitting my funds and time.  I'm not top flight level yet but I think and hope I might gradually be getting there (clearly there are things the very top managers know that I have yet to learn and I doubt it's all about spending because even then you would have to know which players to spend on). And they won't share any big things they know (even if they are simple things) and who could blame them.

So unless I have my facts wrong (and I stand happy to be corrected), my logic is that the Gold League brings added training benefits (most especially if played out of season) and that can't be right because, due to the limited places available, it is down to something that is not game-related.  And removing Gold League training benefits will do far less damage than trying to run two or more teams on guesswork and hope.  I'd rather see improvement and growing love for the game from new managers rather than them failing and quitting because of mistaken thinking. XXX 

[The Borg]

Must admit I am a little confused with your opinions too Cove.

The current problem is its being used  (not by all but by some) in place of friendlies. I can enter the gold league get 30 games of training for 500cr. Where the idea is you pay and play friendlies i think its around 42 for a cost of 4200. The current flaw is ripping tne game off. During the short pre season about 5 days this also gives certain managers a slight advantage.
Removing this would make it equal for everyone. Providing you get all your friendlies set which mainly get made at beginning of season but can also be made at any time of season. With the friendly ladder your challenges also get accepted automatically after 2 days.

I don’t understand weaker get weaker. Stronger get stronger. It will put everybody on same playing field. Stop manager X getting some extra training at cheaper cost & in certain periods while manager Y misses out.

It is not all about having a strong team like the SL2 guys believe (although it does help). Get your tactics right and you have the potential of beating anybody on a given day. Get your basics and ADV tactics correct is crucial. I don’t know about others but I can spend hours thinking about what tactics to use for certain games and my history page shows the results.

This game is unfortunately going in the wrong direction. Both games seem unmanaged. I have sent Junior 20 emails now asking for an update and not had a single reply. SL1is only alive due to the manager base it has. SL2 sounds like it’s just about dead and buried. If it continues as it is ( the game needs income) we won’t have a game left.

[Cove]

Must admit I am a little confused with your opinions too Cove.

Maybe I could have made things a little clearer.



It is hard to get your friendlies slots full. I put in a big effort every season and sometimes I have been left short. Only through persistence do I get all 42 or whatever the number is. Having the gold league or other as a back up is very useful. I suggest that we have more private leagues with training benefits so make sure that no one has an unfair advantage.


As for my comments saying that the strong will get stronger:

• the best players cost the most amount on the transfer market unless you get very very lucky
• the players with the deepest pockets buy the top players

• Those of us with smaller pockets buy weaker players from the transfer market
• Extra training helps us to improve those players and close the gap with the top players

• If we can;t ensure extra training every day, then it will not be possible to train a team to match the best players

[Angele]

Just to clarify (if I may). 

You put in a big effort to get a full Friendlies list and sometimes fail (yet so many managers seem to be more successful with their efforts). Are you sure you are approaching the Friendlies thing in the right way? Just asking.

You only have one team?

[Cove]

I only have one team.

As for the friendlies, i send requests to online players on day one of the season. I use the chat box and this forum to fill all my slots, I message players if I am short. Sometimes I miss out some slots.

Private league training benefits mean that I don't lose out on training if I miss a friendly slot.

I am not the only one in this position. My view is simple:

DON'T TAKE AWAY TRAINING BENEFITS FROM THE PL. I THINK MORE PLS SHOULD HAVE TRAINING BENEFITS, NOT LESS!!!!!

[northstar]

I only have one team.

As for the friendlies, i send requests to online players on day one of the season. I use the chat box and this forum to fill all my slots, I message players if I am short. Sometimes I miss out some slots.

Private league training benefits mean that I don't lose out on training if I miss a friendly slot.

I am not the only one in this position. My view is simple:

DON'T TAKE AWAY TRAINING BENEFITS FROM THE PL. I THINK MORE PLS SHOULD HAVE TRAINING BENEFITS, NOT LESS!!!!!

1st port of call for friendlies is your 'friendly ladder challenges'. Under - Competitions/ friendlies/ friendly ladder. get all the teams on the list selected and get friendly challenges sent to everyone on your list. the amount varies from team to team i think (i get 24 on Realale and 36 with EE Lewis Youth). i don't know why this is and i have never bothered to question. The game will automatically fill your friendly slots if the challenge is not accepted within 48 hours. I would then do what your are already doing, send out to all live managers or pop something on the chat option looking for challenges. That should sort you out.

is there something on your history page if you win the friendly ladder? i have never ever bothered with it and just accept challenges from whoever. is it worth the effort of finding cannon fodder to hammer for goal difference?

[bigdealdave]

Yeah, on your history page its a silver cup called "friendlies"

Its a bit weird though, the "Highest Position in Friendly Table" counts your amount of wins and runners up and adds them together instead of actually detailing your highest finishing position. (Only if you've come 1st or 2nd that is)

[davef]

Of course it could all back-fire Cove now there might be a bigger queue to sign up and you could miss out (possibly to some of your direct rivals?).

I think a lot of managers miss the start of the season (partly because there are no lunchtime games on the first day so just challenging then can cause you to miss out. Also there might be 5 or 6 groupings of signed-in players at different times during a day?  I've made a point of extending my buddies list over the years because that's a list where all the teams listed can be challenged in one go with one click (and when//if they do log in the challenge is waiting for them). And I issue FAR more challenges than could be accepted (it means tying up some funds for a while but then there are usually drawbacks to most things in Life).

I'd guess in the first 3 days of the season I log-in every couple of hours (or just stay logged-in). There was a time when filling the friendlies list was, for me, often annoying, so I can empathise with how you feel, but now I treat it like a military operation and it all runs smoothly. I possibly spend more time and effort getting friendlies sorted than I do on setting up for matches on some days )which maybe explains a lot).

[Marv999]

As a long serving manager on sl1 so far I've kept my opinion fairly quiet but feel like I need to say that the training benefits need to stay, therefore I voted keep.

Now, without looking I'm pretty sure in saying that most teams entering the gold cups will all still have a full friendly training list, and enter because they want to win it and build a nice history page, (this is my reasons anyway) and that the training is neither here nor there. Top managers in the game wont think.. oh sod it if I can save 2500 credits on entering 1 gold league to get 30 games worth of training then I wont bother with my friendly list... No. That's not how it works. The top managers will all still on day 1 of a new season fill their friendlies for the training. It's not suddenly gunna make me not organise training in the hope I get a gold league spot.

Now if people are using it for saving money on training then fair bloody play I say. These things fill fast so it's a risk doing it that way, if there is anyone actually doing it that way atall.. I still manage to get in them more often than not by paying attention or sometimes even just being on at the right time. If you want to save a handful of credits and risk getting in a gold league and not organise friendlies crack on. Top teams would not do this and if there are lesser teams doing it to train cheaper worse players to save money I'd still back myself to beat them in every game I play against them, i wouldn't start getting my knickers in a twist about how they are getting an unfair advantage. We're talking about maybe 1 team per gold league. Get over it.

Life's not fair. Go and beat them and be done with it. Everyone has the oppurtunity to enter both gold leagues and friendly games. How they choose to spend credits in this game is upto them. Its not an unfair thing atall. How you choose to spend your credits is up to you the player.

Im trying to understand the counter argument but really I just think it's a load of b*llocks actually. The only bit I do maybe understand is if a lesser team enters and doesn't set tactics for some and does for others. But again this happens everywhere. This has happened in FL1 over the last few seasons with teams leaving etc. I forget tactics from time to time, (quite often actually) and don't want to be called a match fixer over it. At the end of the day make sure you set tactics for every game, win all your games you can and that's the best you can do. Nobody is out there match fixing in gold leagues. The only way this happens is 2 teams or more being entered by the same manager. That's not cool.

Soon people will be saying to remove training/morale from things like the champions shield claiming it's unfair 

It's also funny tjat most of the people moaning are the ones that are in the majority of gold leagues anyway     

[Angele]

As a long serving manager on sl1 so far I've kept my opinion fairly quiet but feel like I need to say that the training benefits need to stay, therefore I voted keep.

Now, without looking I'm pretty sure in saying that most teams entering the gold cups will all still have a full friendly training list, and enter because they want to win it and build a nice history page, (this is my reasons anyway) and that the training is neither here nor there. Top managers in the game wont think.. oh sod it if I can save 2500 credits on entering 1 gold league to get 30 games worth of training then I wont bother with my friendly list... No. That's not how it works. The top managers will all still on day 1 of a new season fill their friendlies for the training. It's not suddenly gunna make me not organise training in the hope I get a gold league spot.

Now if people are using it for saving money on training then fair bloody play I say. These things fill fast so it's a risk doing it that way, if there is anyone actually doing it that way atall.. I still manage to get in them more often than not by paying attention or sometimes even just being on at the right time. If you want to save a handful of credits and risk getting in a gold league and not organise friendlies crack on. Top teams would not do this and if there are lesser teams doing it to train cheaper worse players to save money I'd still back myself to beat them in every game I play against them, i wouldn't start getting my knickers in a twist about how they are getting an unfair advantage. We're talking about maybe 1 team per gold league. Get over it.

Life's not fair. Go and beat them and be done with it. Everyone has the oppurtunity to enter both gold leagues and friendly games. How they choose to spend credits in this game is upto them. Its not an unfair thing atall. How you choose to spend your credits is up to you the player.

Im trying to understand the counter argument but really I just think it's a load of b*llocks actually. The only bit I do maybe understand is if a lesser team enters and doesn't set tactics for some and does for others. But again this happens everywhere. This has happened in FL1 over the last few seasons with teams leaving etc. I forget tactics from time to time, (quite often actually) and don't want to be called a match fixer over it. At the end of the day make sure you set tactics for every game, win all your games you can and that's the best you can do. Nobody is out there match fixing in gold leagues. The only way this happens is 2 teams or more being entered by the same manager. That's not cool.

Soon people will be saying to remove training/morale from things like the champions shield claiming it's unfair 

It's also funny tjat most of the people moaning are the ones that are in the majority of gold leagues anyway     

So if you find yourself regularly (maybe always) kept out of the Gold league you will accept that with a smile?