CONFERENCE 3 v 7 - INTER CONFERENCE BATTLE

[Cove]

Happy to take any feedback in board.  I wanted to keep things simple especially for me  this way, i can just count up the points scored by each team, its really simple.

This competition is a team game and unlike normal private leagues. The eight players in each team can easily organise tactics for their own team.

Each team plays the same number of games against the other conference and the same number against their own conference. The outcome of internal cinference games should have little impact on the final result as its easy for each conference to organise their own internal games to avoid any internal conference draws.

The competition is still close, i hope conference seven can narrow the gap some more and bring this to the last day.


the fun continues tomorrow.....

[Brian G.]

Happy to take any feedback in board.  I wanted to keep things simple especially for me  this way, i can just count up the points scored by each team, its really simple.

This competition is a team game and unlike normal private leagues. The eight players in each team can easily organise tactics for their own team.

Each team plays the same number of games against the other conference and the same number against their own conference. The outcome of internal cinference games should have little impact on the final result as its easy for each conference to organise their own internal games to avoid any internal conference draws.

The competition is still close, i hope conference seven can narrow the gap some more and bring this to the last day.


the fun continues tomorrow.....

I would like to ask Eamonn if he is suggesting that when conf 3 plays conf 3 they rig the games, in other words, cheat to get a result. Is this the way Conf 3 can win the challenges.   

[Cove]

Happy to take any feedback in board.  I wanted to keep things simple especially for me  this way, i can just count up the points scored by each team, its really simple.

This competition is a team game and unlike normal private leagues. The eight players in each team can easily organise tactics for their own team.

Each team plays the same number of games against the other conference and the same number against their own conference. The outcome of internal cinference games should have little impact on the final result as its easy for each conference to organise their own internal games to avoid any internal conference draws.

The competition is still close, i hope conference seven can narrow the gap some more and bring this to the last day.


the fun continues tomorrow.....

I would like to ask Eamonn if he is suggesting that when conf 3 plays conf 3 they rig the games, in other words, cheat to get a result. Is this the way Conf 3 can win the challenges.   

Two points from me on that Brian



1. You were part on the conference three in our last competition so you know how we tried to approach it.

2. This is not like normal private leagues, this is team competitiion with 8 team members from both conferences. Each of the two teams should aim to maximise its points total. This is not cheating, I think you are being very unfair to say that anyone is cheating.
The goal of this competition is to add a new dimension to sunday league, a little like Ag tries with the attack only leagues and the runcible spoon and others. In this case it is to try a bring a team dimension to the game and have a bit of banter and fun between two conferences.

[Brian G.]

If you cast your mind back Eamonn, when you sent the message to C3 of how we should play, I refused to set up my games against my conference to lose.  I think that if you are setting up games to lose against your own conference it can be nothing more than cheating to enable you to win the challenge.

Why do you think that I swapped from C3 this time  to C7?.  There is no fixing of games in this Conference. 

[agadorspartacus]

Hang on. Let's use Eamonn's game plan and that all in house conference games are arranged win's. This is to maximise points for both Conference's. So they should have the same amount of arranged games, and thus the same arranged points total. Therefore the games that will count in this scenario are the Inter Conference games. That why I'm suggesting don't count the in house games just the Inter Conference. All games count for positioning and credits so Managers can try and win their in house conference games if they so wish. It's two competition's in one league.

[deca]

I'd definitely agree that the points for each Conference should only be tallied for the competition if playing against an opposing Conference, not own Conference

Cheers

Deca

[Wizard1234]

Well this has spiced things up

[Wizard]

I'm actually still confused about how points are calculated for same-Conference games. I see some teams setting up in games against one's own conference, but not others. Should I be playing to win or draw against teams in my own conference? I'm probably being a bit dim, but i still can't grasp it. I've always set up properly against my own conference... not sure if that's right?

I always thought it was opposing conferences games that counted, which is why I raised the question a few pages back. I'm in post-wedding blues so my brain is still a bit fuzzy - sorry!

Either way, I do like the general concept of the competition. (And I hope you are having a great time backpacking, Eamonn!)

[Cove]

If you cast your mind back Eamonn, when you sent the message to C3 of how we should play, I refused to set up my games against my conference to lose.  I think that if you are setting up games to lose against your own conference it can be nothing more than cheating to enable you to win the challenge.

Why do you think that I swapped from C3 this time  to C7?.  There is no fixing of games in this Conference. 

Oh I remember full well Brian. I think it was very unfair for you send me messages accusing me of being a cheat back then and I think it is very unfair for you to accuse me of being a cheat here in the forum now.

I think you are very much out of order to continue this. Justa a couple of points:


1. This is supposed to be a bit of fun and not taken too seriously. It doesnt really matter which conference wins, my goal was to create a competition to get a bit of banter going between the conferences. I dont care if we win or lose and as i say in most of my reports, i want to see the competition staying close to the end to keep the fun going for as long as we can.

2. This is A TEAM competition, not an individual competition. The eight members in each conference must work together to maximise their team score.   Isn't this only an extra dimension to the fun? You get to talk to your team mates and decide on your tactics which is unique on sundayleague.

3. Did you ever play soccer in real life? 11 players on one team agaisnt 11 players on the other team. Did you play against the players on your own team? Did you try to take the ball off your own player? If not, then based in your own logic, were you cheating?

4. To finish, and to reference point one, I've tried to make a positive contribution to the game and to have a bit of fun with it. This is just a game, something to have a bit of fun with, winning and losing are irrelelant for me. It's not fun for me when I keep being  called a cheat so I am not going to organise a follow on competition. I really think that it is most unfair for me to be called a cheat.

[Cove]

Hang on. Let's use Eamonn's game plan and that all in house conference games are arranged win's. This is to maximise points for both Conference's. So they should have the same amount of arranged games, and thus the same arranged points total. Therefore the games that will count in this scenario are the Inter Conference games. That why I'm suggesting don't count the in house games just the Inter Conference. All games count for positioning and credits so Managers can try and win their in house conference games if they so wish. It's two competition's in one league.

Hello Ag and Deca also,

I dont disagree with your suggestion. Like I said earlier, the reason I went with the total points is that it is just much easier for me to add up the scores. If I discount the internal conference games, then there is more work for me to do.  plus, i thought the internal confernece games brought a tactical dimension to the contest which I thought would be an interesting element.

We all have our own opinions but I never thought I would called a cheat and a match fixer for trying to do something good.

[davef]

"Cheating" is breaking the rules. If anyone cans show me where playing as a team in a team competition is against the rules then I will bow my head. Quoting non-existent rules and expecting opponents to play by them could, in my opinion, more easily be construed as cheating.  And it's not as if it was a surprise given the switch of loyalties after the C3 V C4 event (did it jut pop up again only when C7 were losing ground?).

I once got called a cheat after a CL match because I had logged-in late and changed my tactics. After I had won of course. And then, after checking, I found my opponent had played league games where he had often changed tactics immediately on KO. That,  in his book, was different. Amusing really.

IF (and it'd have to be a big if now) we play any more of these challenges, something about approaching same-conference matches tactically could be put in the rules --- but if any managers did it, it would be so much harder to prove than just accepting that it's not breaking any rules and let it go at that.

I'm even more with Cove on one thing --- we play to win (sorry--- a tiny bit --- about last night :-)) but we also play for fun and anyone ACTUALLY cheating (and there always seem someone willing to do the  "secret" team thing) deserves, IMO, to be kicked out, no second chances but those who complain about others using the rules to their advantage maybe just need to look at themselves and their motivations.

[deca]

Hi Guys,

Not sure who has been called a cheat and why,

All i was suggesting is that only the points from Conference vs Conference are counting towards the overall winner of a conference battle. It's quite easy to work out.

Cheers

Deca

[agadorspartacus]

Actually, it's easier to score this competition with only the Inter Conference games  counting. Up until yesterday Conference 3 had 138 points and Conference 7 had 119 points. Yesterday only two games would be relevant in Inter Conference terms as the other six games are all in house

[Globus]

Oh please do one Brian.

You're chasing down a rabbit hole that simply isn't there and I don't appreciate your tone towards Cove at all.

[Cove]

Actually, it's easier to score this competition with only the Inter Conference games  counting. Up until yesterday Conference 3 had 138 points and Conference 7 had 119 points. Yesterday only two games would be relevant in Inter Conference terms as the other six games are all in house

Wow Ag, Im impressed. How did you tot up the points so quickly?