Official league Expansion or not?

[The Borg]

Personally I believe the getting rid of the training element is the best idea. What is the point of it anyway?? That's what friendlies are for. However, no chance of this happening.

I'm all forward fairness and expanding to help move the game to the next level. The main SL game

What I like about the original Gold League is how quick fire it is we can get 4 in a season easily but I made the poll so everybody who logins to this forum can have their vote and not worry about saying anything. All that have voted can see the current result. It is great to see people also firing out ideas.
Personally I like the idea of a 2nd Gold League which can be manipulated so it starts on a certain date with 16 spots  available so it covers over the pre season period. And then potentially a 3rd if that fills... They can start each season on that certain date. There going to be nearly a whole season long. 30 games. So it will be very easy to manipulate to start them when you want them without hassle of messing up the current popular 8 team Gold League... This is open to discussion....

[stupac]

Cider league restarted with only 8 spots?

[The Borg]

The Cider League isn't the issue. It is limited in it's benefit as it's only played every 3 days. It fills alot slower. Sometimes even struggles to fill.
Personally, I wouldn't recommend this if your trying to get training benefit out of it. You'd have been better off waiting for the next Gold League (in 5 days) which as it stands will be expanded to 16 teams so you could get 30days worth of extra training for 500cr. That would also see you to the pre season for the next season.

I'm looking into the whole situation and the possibility of upping the current Gold League in the meantime then over the end of the season expanding the Gold League product into more leagues so as many players can benefit as possible. This will give more spaces for trophy hunting managers and the ones who are after the training.

It's trial and error to see how far the interest goes. Mid season and end of season

[agadorspartacus]

You have to ask yourself, how many active Managers are there. A 16 team gold league will not satisfy the demand for training benefits. Even if you have three of them that still might not satisfy demand. I also mean 3 gold leagues kicking off side by side, like the FL leagues. Also if you have 2-3 leagues they need to be organised and pass worded so Managers cannot put multiple teams in. 

[The Borg]

Absolutely not. These leagues won't be password protected. The idea is to enhance competition not shut it off. I think you think this game is bigger than it is Ag. There is just under 600 managers signed up to the game(593) which I would say 100 play the game daily and 50 that have any interest in playing a day game and a night game. The interest won't be as big as you think but I will make sure I make sure I accomodate as many people as possible. Like I say it's trial and error. We will take it as it comes.
Multiple teams won't be accepted in the same league as thats not aloud (hint). It is something that I'm looking for juniors backing in to attempt to crack down on this season as it is ruining the integrity of our small but addictive game.
However, not everyone is after training benefit. Some people like myself pay top dollar for credits(like everyone else) and want to win anything and everything.

[stupac]

If the interest in the Cider League is low. Perhaps we could turn it into a 16 team every day league also? I've entered my 2nd team in the Cider league purely for training as I'm waiting to put my other team in the Gold league (if i get a place lol).

[The Borg]

Your get a space, Stuart. I'm certain of it.


A little bit of stats on last years FL entrants -


FL1

1. UNIV. CRAIOVA
2. Super Imps
3. Donkalonk fc
4. Realale Madrid
5. The Flashhearts
6. DVG Stars
7. Jellybellies
8. Angel Rrrrs
9. Old Fullairians AFC
10. Pathetico Madrid
11. FC Town of Luton.
12. Floriana FC
13. Aston Villains
14. St Kilda Select
15. Hoarse Whisperers
16. Psychotic ? Disappeared??

All teams are members and arranging friendlies

FL2

1. DidierDrogbaFanClub - member - arranging friendlies
2. Liverwood Luddites - member - arranging friendlies
3. The Rumour Mill - member - arranging friendlies
4. Fools United - member - arranging friendlies
5. Naval and Military - non member - just accepting friendlies
6. The Seg - member - arranging friendlies
7. Exodus member - arranging friendlies
8. Oi Prasinoi - member - arranging friendlies
9. Aten Warriors - member - arranging friendlies
10.Ogres - member - arranging friendlies
11. The Tricky Trees - member - arranging friendlies
12. Redhill Rovers - member - arranging friendlies
13. Harricam Wanderers (withdrawing) - member - arranging friendlies
14. Right Enuff - member - arranging friendlies
15. Team Georgia Mayajay non member - not arranging friendlies
16. Corinthian Casuals - member - arranging friendlies


FL3

1. Surreal Madrid - Member - not arranging friendlies
2. Subgenius - Member - Arranging friendlies
3. The Huckley Way -Member -  Arranging friendlies
4. Betty Swollocks XI - member - not arranging friendlies.
5. Borg - Member - arranging friendlies
6. Spartak - member - arranging friendlies
7. Mixed Martial Farts -member - not arranging friendlies
8. White hart lane - member - not arranging friendlies
9. App Frod Juniors - non member - just accepting friendlies
10. Red Devils Utd - non member - just accepting friendlies
11. The Real Madrid - member - arranging friendlies
12. Corkscrew - non member - just accepting friendlies
13. FC Basel - Member - arranging friendlies
14. Sporting Messi FC - non member - not arranging friendlies
15. Crystal City - member - arranging friendlies
16. Livermark - non member - just accepting friendlies


FL4

1. Winter Milan - Member - Arranging friendlies
2. Ravens of England- Member -Arranging friendlies
3. Rathpeacon - Member - Not arranging friendlies
4. Romasexuals - Member - Arranging friendlies
5. Pyros - Non member - Not arranging friendlies
6. The Rhubarb Triangle - Non member -  just accepting friendlies
7. Glanford Park - Non member - Just accepting friendlies
8. Yorkies Strollers - Non member - just accepting friendlies
9. Rebel Rovers - Non member - just accepting friendlies
10. Callum's Liverpool - Non member - just accepting friendlies
11. Somerset Rebels - Non member - just accepting friendlies
12. England - Non member - just accepting friendlies
13. The Tumbling Sixers - Non member - just accepting friendlies
14. The Delhi Dilemma - Non member - just accepting friendlies
15. Lunatic Fringe - Non member - - just accepting friendlies
16. Totton Saints - Non member - just accepting friendlies

FL5

1. Brazilian Piggys -Member - arranging friendlies
2. CSI Westgate on Sea - Member - arranging friendlies
3. Hunt Park Rovers - Non member - just accepting friendlies
4. The KC Shuffle -Member - arranging friendlies
5. Kane Versus Ings - Non member - Not arranging friendlies
6. Ruthless Aggression - Non member - Not arranging friendlies
7. Standard Liege - Non member - just accepting friendlies
8. Non Contact Rovers - Non member - Not arranging friendlies
9. The Crafty Egg - Non member - just accepting friendlies
10. Negative Amigos - Non member - just accepting friendlies
11. Republic of Leeds - Non member - just accepting friendlies
12. Shakhtar Senseless - None member - not arranging friendlies


Member = 48/76
Non member = 28/76

Friendlies = 42/76
Accepting only = 21/76
No friendlies = 13/76


I know you can't just go by this as not everybody is involved in the FL but thanks to Steven doing such a great job the FL has the vast majority of the active managers within the game. 48/76 managers have brought credits within the last year. As you can see from the friendly stat it is fairly even.
Expanding the Gold League which I AM willing to do won't benefit as many as you think. A small handfull plus managers with multiple teams which I'm okay with providing they abide by the rules. Unfortunately, and I do mean this as I love the game, it just isn't populated enough by the competitive spending manager. Hey, I play Hoarse Whisperers every other day  I don't know about him but I'm sick to death of them whisperers.

We need to be careful we don't make a rod for our own back here and end up costing the game more than its worth.

[agadorspartacus]

There's lots of information to digest. But password protecting leagues does not alter the competition. Managers still try and win. I think your driving the game down a blind alley. Its seems that it will be easier not to play friendlies but just to play official leagues for a teams training needs.

I'd also like you to explain your "hint" over multiple teams by one Manager in the same league. I can see you not wanting two teams in a competitive league as it may effect the outcome. But I see no problem in me running eight team leagues filled with my teams as it allows me to give the teams a run out. These leagues effect no other Managers.

As for integrity, I can see what you mean having secret teams, in competitive divisions, private leagues etc but I believe my private league games do not effect the integrity of the game. If you do can you please explain your opinion.

[Baggio]

Quick question for anyone who knows..

Can I arrange friendlies between two of my teams as long as it's not for points?

I don't mind if I can't it would just make it easier to fill my friendlies for the season.

Cheers

[agadorspartacus]

As you said your not trying to win anything. So, why not? To me your just giving your teams a run out

[cha4zz]

Having thought about it and had a good read through all of Borg's post, I actually think it makes sense to run the league as an 8 team league. Part of the reason the league runs so often is the speed that it fills up, it's first come first served anyway so everyone has the same chance to join the league.

Maybe it's an idea to run a 16 team league on a trial/error fashion.

[The Borg]

Quick question for anyone who knows..

Can I arrange friendlies between two of my teams as long as it's not for points?

I don't mind if I can't it would just make it easier to fill my friendlies for the season.

Cheers

I do believe this is aloud. I think the system stops you after a certain amount. Not 100% on that though.

There's a difference between a run out and gaining over the pre season through gelling. Pot kettle springs to mind. Don't worry Ag. I will PM it to you later and break it all down for you. That is not a problem.


Back on this subject, and I don't know why I didn't think of this sooner. There is a way of killing the training benefit actually. Quite simply. Keep the name but make the system believe it is no longer official, which is possible. Keep the Gold Cup. It is just a standard official league then with no training.

[stupac]

Terrible idea! 

You would then need to do that for all official cups which makes them less special.

[Angele]

Terrible idea! 

You would then need to do that for all official cups which makes them less special.

In my view, the only "special" competitions are the ones where you have to prove yourself over a distance against various challengers, so the major cups, Conference titles and most 16 team lunchtime leagues count. And any 8 team league played at lunchtime (which might be run 3 or 4 times a season) is more just a kick-about among friends.

[mihai]

Quick question for anyone who knows..

Can I arrange friendlies between two of my teams as long as it's not for points?

I don't mind if I can't it would just make it easier to fill my friendlies for the season.

Cheers

I do believe this is aloud. I think the system stops you after a certain amount. Not 100% on that though.

I believe the limit  it's no more than 4 friendly games between same teams