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General => Video Games => Topic started by: Late on June 10, 2012, 11:04:56 AM
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No official word on rrp yet, as far as I'm aware, but Shopto now taking pre-orders at £280 (rrp according to them).
Sounds entirely plausible. Not interested.
Link (http://www.shopto.net/page.php?page=search&categ=&platform=&banner=WII%20U%20home&searchtext=WIIUAS01%20WIIUJU01%20WIIULE01%20WIIUMA01%20WIIUNE01%20WIIURA02%20WIIUSO01%20WIIUFI01%20WIIUZO01%20WIIUYO01%20WIIUTE01%20WIIUSP01%20WIIURA01%20WIIUPI01%20WIIUNI01%20WIIUMA35%20WIIUDA01%20WIIUHW01%20WIIUHW02%20WIIUSC01%20WIIUAL01%20WIIUBA01&layout=0)
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Less than average for the price of a new home console, was expecting £299.99 myself. Should have NintendoLand packed in too I reckon.
I'm planning on getting it along with Pikmin 3, Lego City Undercover, Assassin's Creed 3, Arkham Asylum, ZombiU, Rayman Legends and the Rabbids game at launch and will get Ninja Gaiden 3 Razor's Edge and Aliens Colonial Marines after Christmas.
ZombiU and Lego City Stories are the stand out titles for me at launch, it's a real shame that Aliens Colonial Marines has been delayed until February though because it should be a graphical showcase for the U and the GamePad. Still, the lighting for ZombiU was excellent so it should look pretty good by the time it's finished.
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That's a lot of games. Wish I was on the dole so I could get all the consoles/games you get.
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Profits from betting mate. If you had given Bonus Bagging a go you'd have a few hundred quid going spare too. I'm also saving money for it too. The way that Housing Benefit works gives me two payments per month for 10 months of the year and three payments for 2 months of the year. This means that each month I pay the difference as if I'm getting 2 payments every month...which means that I get to keep my 1st or 3rd payment for two months and put it in my pocket. It's a very handy way of saving money, things are pretty tight for 10 months but it's definitely worth it because it allows me to buy "luxury" goods.
Forgot about Darksiders 2 as well.
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The way that working works is that we go to work and get money to pay for things.
Not as much as we'd like, and it takes up most of our day, but such is life for most of us.
But we digress, and I'm afraid that's my fault.
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I'd love to be working again mate, just not possible for me at the moment unfortunately. :'(
You should give Bonus Bagging a go mate, it's basically free money...and tax free too. 8)
I should be investing in All By The Book 2 at some point, probably not for a good few months though. A bit wary about bookies closing my accounts as 'non-profitable' for them though. Might have to deposit some cash and lose a few bets on purpose just to keep them happy lol. Haven't got the starting bank available for that yet, need around £700 but should have £505 in my Betfair account in the early hours of the morning if a Brazilian match result doesn't come in. ;D
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What im finding funny there is shopto have priced Wii U titles at a "budget" price like all the Wii games are.. (for example - Assassins Creed 3 is £10 cheaper on the Wii U than the 360/PS3 versions)
Surely the Wii U games will have higher production costs which will in turn inflate game prices.. tell me Im right harv ??
Of course the other reason Wii U titles could cost less.. is because they are going to be watered down and shit.. just like the Wii games ?
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The price of U games should be in line with the standard price of PS3 and 360 games unfortunately. We might see the likes of Arkham Asylum and Ninja Gaiden 3 being budget titles considering they're old ports but they've also had improvements made and include all DLC so it's not likely. Apparently they've fixed just about everything wrong with the PS3 and 360 SKU's of Ninja Gaiden 3, the reaction of some PS3 and 360 owners is quite amusing...BETRAYALTON :o :P ;D
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Game prices all look to have been bumped up by a tenner now.
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Yup, thought they would do. There's some interesting rumours going around on Gaf about the CPU and GPU. They're saying that the CPU is less powerful than the Xenon in the 360 but the GPU is a GPGPU. Interesting choice by Nintendo if that is the case. GPGPUs use compute shaders and all next gen engines and the next gen consoles from both Sony and Microsoft will have GPGPUs. It basically means that developers porting from the PS3/360 to the U are going to struggle due to the less powerful CPU but next gen we'll see the benefits of their choice. Could be a load of old bollocks of course, there's always a chance that Nintendo have adopted a more powerful CPU and a GPGPU.
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£199.99 at Amazon. (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/nintendo-wii-u-console-199-99-amazon-1242242)
That's more like it. Don't want one, but it's getting into impulse buy territory (and there's the possibility of shortages so resale at a profit)...
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Bloody hell, I'm jumping straight on that!!! :o
Cheers for that late, decided to go for the 3 year warranty too for 50 quid. Was expecting to pay around 250300 anyway so got that just in case the things have a RROD or YLOD equivalent. Given their choice of GPU it's going to need some serious cooling 8)
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lol, its been taken down already... not suprised, I think it was definitely a mistake (especially as the release date was set as 14th July and it was the black console which hasn't even been confirmed as launching).. Im not sure amazon will uphold it either, they have a history of cancelling orders and then re-listing the items to get around their price promises...personally I'd never order another console from amazon ever again after the whole 360 disaster though.. they cant be trusted to deliver on pre-orders.
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Aye, I've ordered one but expect it to be cancelled (or for Amazon to claim the sku was for just one controller or something similar to weasel their way out of honouring orders).
Not bothered though. I've only got my order in to keep my options open, and would probably cancel it myself closer to the date.
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Yup, the gits have cancelled it >:( :'( :P
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lol... as I thought.. doesnt mean the price is technically wrong even though they cancelled it.. but I suspect it is...
Nice try though ;D
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I'm expecting the price to be between 250 and 300 myself, particularly now that a GPGPU has been confirmed. Probably won't see many titles utilising it properly until after the PS4 and 720 are released though. Am really surprised that Nintendo have been so forward thinking, it's looking like all 3 next gen consoles will have the same sort of architecture with GPGPUs doing all of the floating-point work next gen that the Xenon and Cell have been doing this gen...more akin to the relationship that the CPU and GPU have in a PC as it goes.
Going to be interesting to see if Sony and Microsoft are going to go for a DSP as well, both the Xenon and Cell have been partially crippled by having them deal with sound. I think we can OoOE CPUs as given though so the next gen CPUs from both Sony and Microsoft will be more efficient than their current gen processors.
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Am really surprised that Nintendo have been so forward thinking, it's looking like all 3 next gen consoles will have the same sort of architecture with GPGPUs doing all of the floating-point work next gen that the Xenon and Cell have been doing this gen...more akin to the relationship that the CPU and GPU have in a PC as it goes.
So, the U has gone from being the best thing since sliced bread, down to the best next gen console, and now it's gone down to looking like it'll be on par with the other 2?
What odds can I get on it slipping further down than that?
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Am really surprised that Nintendo have been so forward thinking, it's looking like all 3 next gen consoles will have the same sort of architecture with GPGPUs doing all of the floating-point work next gen that the Xenon and Cell have been doing this gen...more akin to the relationship that the CPU and GPU have in a PC as it goes.
So, the U has gone from being the best thing since sliced bread, down to the best next gen console, and now it's gone down to looking like it'll be on par with the other 2?
What odds can I get on it slipping further down than that?
I haven't stated any of that. I've said right from the beginning that the U is going to be the least powerful out of the two. As I've said, on paper it should be around 3 times more powerful than the 360: 3MB of eDRAM for the 1MB for the 360, 1.5GB of usable RAM (with 512MB reserved for the OS) compared to 512MB of RAM and 32MB of eDRAM for the GPU compared to 10MB.
The PS4 and 720 will probably be 3 or 4 times more powerful than the U, we'll have a gen similar to the previous one with all 3 consoles being in the same sort of ballpark in terms of power and Nintendo's choice of GPU should make it easy for developers to port code to and from the PS4 and 720. Like I've said, it's forward thinking and is a bit of a surprise tbh.
Microsoft have gone a bit insane apparently, they're squeezing 12GB of RAM into their dev kits and they're targeting 8GB for the retail console. And the vast majority isn't going to be used for games either, they're still continuing with this media centre nonsense and are planning on having DVR functionality whilst gaming. They'll probably also have the thing running Windows 8 which is going to be resource heavy. I think they've totally lost the plot tbh, we'll be looking at a console costing around 600 quid which really worked out for Sony this gen lol ;D
We're probably looking at the U's CPU being clocked at less than 2GHz but that doesn't mean it won't have any less processing power than the Xenon or Cell which are clocked higher. It's the architecture that's important, not the clockspeed.
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If you can't be arsed to read Harv's post I'll summarise it for you.
The U is significantly less powerful than it's rivals, which is incredible forward thinking by Nintendo.
Microsoft are giving their console more ram than they need now, but which will invariably be very useful in a couple of years' time, which is insane of them.
It'll be really easy to port games from the microsoft and sony machines to the wii because one of the components is similar (but all others are way behind).
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Not what I was saying at all. ::)
Having a GPGPU with compute shaders most certainly is forward thinking. It basically means that it's going to be easier for developers to port code to and from the PS4 and 720 than it will be to port code to and from the PS3 and 360.
And when did I say that the U is going to be 'way behind'..? You'll have the PS4 and 720 being around 3 times more powerful than the U, even the 720 with its ridiculous amounts of RAM thanks to the majority of it not being available to developers. We're going to have another PS2, Gamecube and Xbox situation again, with the U being the PS2 equivalent.
And Microsoft really have lost the plot, unlike PC RAM console RAM is expensive. You're going to be looking at a console to be retailing at well over 400 quid. If Sony can keep the retail cost of the console between 300 and 400 quid they're onto a winner and Microsoft will end up with a console failing miserably like the PS3 did for the first two years of its life. Microsoft really have lost the plot :-\
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This whole discussion is subjectable to any kind of confirmed fact I would like to point out ::)
Although I have to agree with harv here... nintendo are really forward thinking... I actually have proof of that...
(http://www.pocketgamer.co.uk/FCKEditorFiles//Circle-Pad-Pro-3DS-3.JPG)
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And when did I say that the U is going to be 'way behind'..?
You've indicated your belief, numerous times, that that the next Sony/Microsoft machines will be about 3 or 4 times as powerful as the U.
If the U was only 80% as powerful as it's rivals it'd be below the curve. If it were only 60% as powerful as it's rivals it'd clearly be the runt of the litter. But you're estimating it to be around 25%-33% as powerful as it's rivals. That doesn't just make it the number three console in a field of three. That makes it an embarrassment. (And that's based on YOUR estimates and assumptions i.e. that the sony/microsoft machines will be only three or four times as powerful as the wii. I imagine the difference will be more than that, but I'll stick with your figures for this post.)
And Microsoft really have lost the plot, unlike PC RAM console RAM is expensive. You're going to be looking at a console to be retailing at well over 400 quid. If Sony can keep the retail cost of the console between 300 and 400 quid they're onto a winner and Microsoft will end up with a console failing miserably like the PS3 did for the first two years of its life. Microsoft really have lost the plot :-\
£400 is a lot of money. A LOT of money.
Still - it's better to pay £400 for a great console than to pay £280 for a half-decent one, regret your decision, then spend £400 on top of that to get a great console...
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So who's having a guess at the price then.. Price is Right stylee... if your over - your out..
Im going in for £239.99 and the console to be bundled with a tech demo game...
Stand-alone gamepads to retail at £69.99
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We're talking RRP? - cos you know retailers will all have their own bundles...
I reckon ShopTo's initial punt is about right, so £269.99 for the console with one gamepad, bundled with a party/minigames disk, similar to the Wii's "Wii Sports" - something that would stand alone as a budget game, more than a demo, so you can get some play in the first week before forking out for a game...
I'm hoping the gamepads will be cheaper than most folk expect so will go with £54.99.
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£249.99 with NintendoLand packed in. Don't think they will sell GamePads separately until later on but if they do I reckon your price is bang on the money.
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Yeah RRP of a base model.. i'll stick by my £239.99.. going by what nintendo said.. "learning lessons from the 3DS" and all that baloney.. I dont think they will try and overprice the console again.. anything over £250 for the Wii U is overpriced... Im unsure if they will throw a game in on a base model.. not many consoles normally do that... but I'd expect a tech demo of the things you can do with the gamepad.. (the london bus/taxi ride thingy for instance, or the bird demo maybe).
And yep, I expect the gamepad to be as expensive as a balance board.. nintendo are usually rip-offs when it comes to accessories and the sort and there will be no MadCatz or similar 3rd parties making alternative gamepads so nintendo can charge what they want really... they will have to sell seperate gamepads from launch in case someone breaks one, which could easily happen if someone dropped one and cracked the screen for instance.
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Nintendo is holding a press event for the Wii U this Thursday, in New York. Should reveal USA pricing and release date, what's included (eg will you need to fork out for a proprietary hard drive), and hopefully they'll give some more solid details of launch window titles.
Hopefully we'll get some idea of European price/release date then, too...
Still not really interested in the U, as it's closer to current gen than next gen (guesswork/opinion - don't bother arguing, Harv) but if it's less than about £180 I might take a punt on it. I still think it'll be more than that, though. Lots of speculation about it being $249.99 or $279.99 over the pond, which equates to about £155/£175, but we always get stiffed of course.
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You won't need a proprietary hard drive, any USB drive, flash drive or SD card will do. And if you're expecting a next gen console for less than 200 notes then you're going to be very disappointed mate. This isn't another Wii situation, it's not going to be cheap.
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Who's talking about next gen? We're talking about the U.
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Even if the U was no more powerful than a pocket calculator it would still be a next gen console.
There's a rumour that Nintendo are going to have 3 different SKUs - $249.99, $299.99 and $349.99. Can't see it being as cheap as $249.99, that would make it as cheap as the Wii was and given the grunt under the hood Nintendo would be making a fair old loss on each system. They would probably break even at $299.99 which would probably make the UK price around £229.99 going by the Wii pricing.
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Nintendo is holding a press event for the Wii U this Thursday, in New York. Should reveal USA pricing and release date, what's included (eg will you need to fork out for a proprietary hard drive), and hopefully they'll give some more solid details of launch window titles.
Hopefully we'll get some idea of European price/release date then, too...
Nintendo Europe have now announced they'll be having a European presser - also on Thursday.
You will be able to watch it live, if you're that way inclined, here (http://www.nintendo.co.uk/NOE/en_GB/news/nintendo_direct_47764.html) - Thursday 13th at 3 p.m.
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Cheers late. I reckon, as per usual, we'll get shafted with regards to launch day and price >:(
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That's a lot of games. Wish I was on the dole so I could get all the consoles/games you get.
Lol.
Anyone watch "trouble on the estate"?
What a life the doleys have.
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As I've stated before several times, I'd much rather be well enough to be able to get back to work but it isn't possible at the moment unfortunately. ::)
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Bloody hell.. according to the japanese press event... the gamepad is gonna set you back £105 apparently if you convert the japenese yen directly... and we usually get screwed on these conversions too !!
The japanese release date has been set as 8th December.
Basic SKU converts to £209 and Premium SKU converts to £251
Apparently the Basic SKU (white) has 8GB of memory whilst the Premium (black) has 32GB of memory...
Nintendo Network Premium going to be the same as PS+ it looks like.. except worse (of course)
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Holy crap, the controller's more expensive than the console.
I'm definitely out. If we'd been looking at the bundle being less than £180 (including a tablet) and additional tablets being less than £50 then I would've had a decision to make. The additional tablet would be necessary because nobody wants the kids fighting over who gets the tablet and who gets the wand. Like I say, I'd then have to make a decision. That £200-£225 price bracket would've been more than I wanted to spend but it would be doable if the kids wanted it.
If they're looking at around £350, though, they're having a laugh.
UK prices still to be confirmed, of course, but they ain't going to be cheaper than a direct yen to sterling conversion. They're going to be more expensive.
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UK prices are being touted as £229 for the base and £279 for the premium... exact same launch prices as the vita.
I cant see how the gamepad is so expensive though... just imagine breaking one :o
Even the Wii U Pro Controller (360 clone) is directly converted to £40 ... such a rip-off.
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Blimey, Nintendo Network Premium is a bit of a surprise. Sod that, online gaming should always be free. Am also surprised they didn't have their regional announcements at the same time as the others. Also a major pain in the arse that the black SKU is more expensive. >:(
Will have to wait and see what happens with regards to pricing in the UK and the States.
And late, we haven't had any news of any games needing 2 GamePads yet. Everything we've seen so far involves asymmetric multiplayer with 1 GamePad vs up to 4 remote and nunchucks.
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I think online gaming is free.. nintendo network premium will be a premium service like PS+ for customers who have bought the black premium SKU. With the limited storage space in both SKUs you have to question nintendos determination to push digital distribution though.. I cant see their online service taking off... forcing customers to buy extra storage space is not the way to go.
And harvs right.. they havent (and wont) make any twin gamepad playable games... not just because no-one would be able to afford it.. but because the gamepads are effectively dumb terminals.. they draw their processing power and any other resources from the console.. having two gamepads doing the same thing will probably reduce framerate in games and cause other problems too...
The final (leaked) specs for the Wii U are a little underwhelming though... Shader Model 4.. so it wont be supporting the equivalent of Direct X 11 and OpenGL4.0 :o
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The GamePad streaming doesn't take a great deal of power surprisingly enough, just 12MFLOPS for each GamePad, and the GPU pushes somewhere between 600-800GFLOPS (and for comparison the 360 pushes 240GFLOPS, the 720 1TFLOP and the PS4 1.8TFLOPS. The drop in framerate (from a maximum of 60fps to 30fps) is down to bandwidth, not power.
And those specs aren't accurate, further leaks have stated that the GPU has been updated due to pressure from developers. It's going to have a DX11 equivalent feature set.
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Nobody wants to play asymmetrically. In gaming a player should have an advantage over others (unless they all specifically decide on it).
Originally it was supposed to support 4 gamepads - which makes sense. They know multiplayer gameplay should be balanced in that way. Then they realised they'd screwed up and it'd only support one at full power. Then they said 2 slates is perfectly possible (with a frame rate drop from 60 to 30fps, which is acceptable tbh, but slightly disappointing).
I'd say widespread support for games where two players use gamepads is inevitable, then. Or would be if the prices weren't so ridiculous.
So for a console with one game and a second controller:
£150 I'm all over it.
£200 Tough call, but I'd probably go for it.
£250 Unlikely, but still possible.
£300 No chance.
£350 You're just being silly now.
£400 Stick it where the sun don't shine. No, really - this is the real price point? Nintendo's lost the plot.
(That's guesswork, based on £230 for the basic bundle, £120 extra slate, £40 game, and I've rounded up a tenner.)
Bear in mind we're talking about a console that's barely more powerful than the 360 and ps3 (yes, Harv, we know the GPU and RAM are decent, but other aspects are arguably weaker than the ps3/360.)
Who, in their right mind, is going to pay £400 to "upgrade" from ps3/360 to something marginally better, when the nextbox/ps4 will be available for about the same price (or cheaper) about a year later?
You'd have to be insane, or on benefits. Or both.
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Struggling to see what's premium about the premium bundle, btw. Assuming the internal memory works the same way as external memory (ie has no advantages over it) then you're going to end up with a hard drive plugged in to either console - so why would anyone pay an extra fifty quid for a few extra gig and a different colour scheme?...
Oh. It's Nintendo, isn't it. They make a living from squeezing extra money from people for bringing out their machines in different colours. Expect limited editions in new colours next year. For a premium price, natch...
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Yeah with a bit more info now..
Nintendo Network Premium is not like PS+ - apparently you get it as part of the "premium" bundle and its 10% off digitally bought games... apparently its to run for 2 years.
So the extras for buying a premium bundle over the base one.. extra few gig storage space.. although still very limited compared to the 360/PS3 options.. a few stands for your gamepad and console... a different coloured console.. and a 10% discount on digital games - no guarrantee you'll actually want any of those games though...
...doesnt sound that premium to me either.
One thing to remember though... whatever the RRP of the console price set for the UK.. its mainly our retailers who will set the price as they try and undercut each other... so the RRP might not translate into what you'd actually pay for the console.
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I seem to recall the Wii didn't include Wii Sports when it was released in Japan, but did over here, so there's still a remote possibility the European version of the U might include a game.
Still looks likely to be massively overpriced, though. We'll see in a few hours' time...
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Bloody hell, 10% discount on digitally distributed games for 2 years is a great deal. Particularly when you consider that the U is likely to be the go-to place for indie developers. The quality of games on the 3DS eShop is excellent and bodes well for the U eShop.
As for the on-board flash, 8GB is plenty for the casual gamer and 32GB is plenty for the enthusiast gamer to begin with. And unlike Microsoft you're not forced to spend over the odds for a proprietary hard drive. Even if you don't want a USB hard drive you can just spend 20 quid on a 32GB SDHC card. Hardly a big deal ::)
I'm more interested in hearing more about the OS, Accomplishments and Miiverse though, the latter has the potential to be huge. :o
Edit: There's a second Nintendo Direct in Japan at the same time as the UK and US ones, interesting that they had to split the Japanese one in two, must mean a huge software blowout in the East although most of those titles won't see a release over here in the West.
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Bloody hell, 10% discount on digitally distributed games for 2 years is a great deal.
Really? Maybe I've misunderstood, but faced with buying a game on disk for about £40 or buying it digitally online for about £40 I've always thought that's a complete no-brainer. Even with 10% discount it's not a viable option as (a) you can probably get a physical copy for cheaper if you look around, and (b) you can sell the physical one a fortnight later and get half your money back.
As I say, maybe I'm missing something there.
...unlike Microsoft you're not forced to spend over the odds for a proprietary hard drive.
You're aware you can use cloud storage or flash drives on the xbox these days?
Can't believe you're calling Microsoft on using their proprietary hard drives (which I agree were definitely a rip off) whilst defending Nintendo for charging £50 for a paint job and an extra 24gb of memory!
(http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p258/esther85sc/Emoticon/lol.gif)
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Not all games bought in the eShop are going to be retail games costing 40 quid. There's going to be plenty of quality titles cheaper than that from indie developers, and I really can't understand how you can say that a 10% discount over 2 years without the need for a subscription is in any way a bad thing. I doubt that it's going to include DLC unfortunately though.
And flash drives on the 360..? You're limited to 2 x 16GB maximum and they're more expensive and slower than SDHC cards as far as I remember.
Have also noticed that we're finally seeing a platform holder selling an HD console with an HDMI cable included. :o Really wasn't expecting that.
Just double checked, flash drives are cheaper but slower ;)
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You'd have to spend £500 in 2 years on digital games to get back that £50 extra you paid for the premium bundle... :-\ Its better than nothing.. but you have to pay for it... cant say it would sway my decision if I were to buy a wii U.
Do you know much about digital distribution though.. had to ask because you think 32GB is large enough for a gamer.. Trine 2 and both GTA DLC will set you back about 5gig for example.. thats 1/6 of your hard-drive space on just 3 pieces of DLC.... I take it, not many people will be installing games to their hard-drives either.
And the U wont be the "go-to" place for indie developers.. your mad if you think they will... they are too strict with their SDKs and microsoft aren't... bloody hell, even I downloaded microsofts SDK... the free stuff that nintendo are giving away.. they aren't giving that away to every man and his dog before you start... sorry but on the premise that WiiWare was absolutely shit.. and nintendo obviously arent pushing digital distribution as a major thing with their tiny storage systems... I cant see it being this major developer attraction you talk about.
And since you know the 360 can use any external hard-drive or usb flash device... you know you were talking shit about the whole proprietary thing.. you can only use 2x16GB at any ONE time.. but you can use as many flash devices as you want in total though! And the Wii U doesnt even support USB 3.0.. its supposed to be next gen :o
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Not all games bought in the eShop are going to be retail games costing 40 quid. There's going to be plenty of quality titles cheaper than that from indie developers, and I really can't understand how you can say that a 10% discount over 2 years without the need for a subscription is in any way a bad thing.
There's no subscription but you need to spend an extra fifty quid up front?
Um. Let me think about it...
No thanks.
I buy a lot of indie and arcade games online on the 360. Probably dozens of them a year. Adds up to a lot of hard drive space and not much cash, truth be told. Would I want to save 10%? Yes, of course I would. I'd be nice to have that £5 or so in my pocket. Worth paying an extra fifty quid for? Not a chance.
And flash drives on the 360..? You're limited to 2 x 16GB maximum and they're more expensive and slower than SDHC cards as far as I remember.
Just double checked, flash drives are cheaper but slower ;)
What's SDHC cards got to do with anything, and why do you have the impression they're better than flash drives?
And have you really just boasted you could get a 32gb card for the U, then criticised the 360 for only taking 2x16gb?
To all intents and purposes SDHC and flash are the same price and the same speed. There's different classes and speeds of both, of course, but in terms of accessing your game they're probably all about the same speed to a console - and most will be faster than accessing a disk. Which is why large amounts of storage is important if you're bothered about speed. Are you bothered about speed? You seem to be bringing it up as an important factor, here, but the difference for a console reading data from a dvd, a flash drive, a hard drive or an SDHC card is likely insignificant.
I generally don't install games to my hard drive, on the 360. It's an option on pretty much every game, and it speeds access up a bit, but unless you're going to be playing a game for months who can be arsed with spending a few minutes installing a game just so it saves a few seconds here and there.
Even without installing games to HDD, though, I found my old 60gb drive was always full. These days 100gb is an absolute minimum when it comes to console hard drives, and more realistically you want at least 250gb. (That wouldn't be very forward thinking, though - it'd fill way too quickly.)
No, as I originally said, whether you buy an 8gb model or a 32gb model effectively makes no difference. Either way you're going to need to plug an external HDD in.
Have also noticed that we're finally seeing a platform holder selling an HD console with an HDMI cable included. :o Really wasn't expecting that.
I didn't realise that. Wow! I nearly spuffed in my pants at that news. Definite system seller!
Oh yeah - just realised. I've got 6 in use and 3 spares in a drawer. Eight of those cost less than a quid each. The other one's a more niche cable (having a right angled connector) so I paid £2.07 for it... ::)
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I seem to recall the Wii didn't include Wii Sports when it was released in Japan, but did over here, so there's still a remote possibility the European version of the U might include a game.
Called it.
Nintendoland included in the Premium pack...
Available in Europe BEFORE Japan? Never called that...
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Did they mention price?
I watched almost the full thing but must've missed that - if it was mentioned.
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The basic pack also doesnt come with a wii sensor bar... so if you buy the basic pack, you have to buy the special accessories pack which includes a sensor bar to play on the wii with a wiimote - this is just stupid and may confuse some people before they buy.
So basically, the basic pack is really only for people who already own the wii - and dont want it in black, nor a free game, nor the extra gig in the hard-drive.
The premium pack is their main SKU.. if it does come in at £279.99 (they havent mentioned price yet) - I think they are gonna have real problems shifting it.
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I think you can pick up sensor bars for about 2 quid on the 'bay.
Launch Dates:
States 18 Nov
Europe 30 Nov
Japan 8 Dec
RRP, following today's press announcements:
Basic (white 8gb):
States $299.99 (approx £185)
Europe unconfirmed
Japan ¥26,250 (approx £210)
Premium (black 32gb):
States $349.99 (approx £217)
Europe unconfirmed
Japan ¥31,500 (approx £252)
amazon.co.uk briefly put the white back on their site at £199.99 this afternoon, but quickly removed it again.
White includes console, gamepad, 2 chargers (one each for console and gamepad) and hdmi cable.
Black includes the above plus stands for console and gamepad, membership to a reward scheme (pretty much 10% discount on digital games), and Nintendoland game (but not in Japan, strangely), and extra internal memory (but neither 8gb nor 32gb will be enough for most folk - you're going to need an external drive, realistically).
On the face of it, it looks like Japan's getting screwed. Which is bloody strange.
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The extra 50 quid (assuming it is that much) also includes the following not included with the Basic SKU -
Wii U Console Stand
Wii U Gamepad Charging Dock
Wii U Gamepad Stand
Sounds pretty good to me.
And regarding the indie developers there are three reasons why the U eShop is going to attract them - Nintendo are taking a much smaller cut, Nintendo are reducing the restrictions that developers are faced with when developing for Live and PSN and Nintendo are including tens of thousands of pounds worth of middleware with each dev kit. Just because you've downloaded the XBLA SDK doesn't make you an indie developer, it just makes you a geek living in your Mum's basement with no social life :P I'm talking about professional indie developers, not amateurs ;)
Started typing this a while ago and watched the US Nintendo Direct so no idea on the price of the SKUs. Saw that ShopTo have the Premium SKU for £279.99 and that the price includes NintendoLand which isn't bad, a little more than I was expecting but still reasonable for a next gen console.
Talk about Thursdayton lol, Monster Hunter Unite early next year is huge news :o Am definitely getting that, I love that franchise. Looks like Nintendo are just missing an exclusive Final Fantasy title to complete the set, the U is going to sell gangbusters in Japan with Dragon Quest X on the way as well.
Tried watching the UK one but their site is struggling at the moment lol. Can't see the telly, DVR and film integration being much interest to me personally but I'm sure it will be popular with people that don't download or watch streams of stuff they want to watch
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Tried watching the UK one but their site is struggling at the moment lol. Can't see the telly, DVR and film integration being much interest to me personally but I'm sure it will be popular with people that don't download or watch streams of stuff they want to watch
UK one worked fine for me.
I don't think there was any mention of media options other than gaming. Pretty sure they never mentioned films or DVR use.
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Have watched it now, was my internet connection having a funny five minutes I think lol. It's a bit weird, you had several bits in each that aren't mentioned in the other. No mention of TVii in Europe, although that may be down to region-specific TV channels and services and the EU confirmed that the U has 2GB of RAM which puts it equal to the lowest target specs of the PS4 which is good.
The TVii thing allows you to record and watch stuff on and from your TiVo device and store profiles for different family members, also includes other services like Netflix. Won't be going anywhere near it myself though.
The Wonderful 101 is looking good too but I'm really going to have to spread out my spending though, there's way too many games on my must-buy list. :o
Edit: Looks like we're going to get bugger all as far as the TVii goes unless we hear any different. Shouldn't have expected anything really though considering Microsoft shaft us without any lubricant as far as Live goes over here. It's a completely different kettle of fish altogether in the States, they get a great deal of value from it over there, all we get is online play pretty much. I won't be renewing my subscription next year, apart from online multiplayer the only thing I've got out of Live is the Mars landing.
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Holy crap, the controller's more expensive than the console.
I'm definitely out. If we'd been looking at the bundle being less than £180 (including a tablet) and additional tablets being less than £50 then I would've had a decision to make. The additional tablet would be necessary because nobody wants the kids fighting over who gets the tablet and who gets the wand. Like I say, I'd then have to make a decision. That £200-£225 price bracket would've been more than I wanted to spend but it would be doable if the kids wanted it.
If they're looking at around £350, though, they're having a laugh.
UK prices still to be confirmed, of course, but they ain't going to be cheaper than a direct yen to sterling conversion. They're going to be more expensive.
Average so far is £250 (modal, not mean) for the Premium SKU. Not bad considering what's under the hood, the BOM for the GamePad, the 10% discount, extra storage, the accessories and NintendoLand bundled with it.
Am going to wait for the ZombiU bundles to appear I think.
You'll probably see supermarkets doing slightly better deals than that too closer to launch I reckon.
Edit: Nobody has a Scooby Doo wtf is going on now lol. Prices were £199.99 for the Basic SKU and £249.99 for the Premium but Amazon has gone a bit mental...they keep on putting the prices up :o
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£250 average for premium?!
Where are you getting that? That seems more the average for the basic sku...
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It was at first, then everyone started putting their prices up. Simply Games still have it at £249.99 but there's no order button last I looked. Very strange though, you'd expect a few cock ups here and there at the start when the Nintendo Directs were going on but not this late in the day. :o
Amazon went bloomin insane, their prices changed every few seconds at one point lol.
Just have to wait until things settle down I guess :)
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img443/2417/wiiusummary.png)
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So my guess of £239.99 with no bundled game was pretty close to the base model then ;)
The premium model is averaging around £300 more than £290 though.
The states are getting a great deal for their Wii U.. europe are getting completely shafted in comparison - I cant believe its costing more than the 360 at launch :o
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The premium model is averaging around £300 more than £290 though.
Fair call. Amended.
Here's prices (http://www.hotukdeals.com/misc/wii-u-uk-prices-game-amazon-1310912#post15482785) I've seen so far.
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Seeing as Amazon are now honouring their £199.99 price for the Premium SKU I might drop them an email complaining about them not honouring the £199.99 price in June lol. Can't see it happening but if you don't ask you definitely won't get it lol :P
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Just read that in america, they are not selling seperate gamepads until there are games that support two at once... and its likely that will become the norm in europe too...
...am I missing a trick again here.. what if a gamepad gets broken, its inevitable that someone, somewhere in the world will break one on the first day or in the first week... what are they supposed to do then... there are games like ZombiU that can only be played with the gamepad.. they would become totally unplayable.
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Odd. As you say, there's bound to be a fair few broken (accidents, rage-quits, etc.)
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Seeing as Amazon are now honouring their £199.99 price for the Premium SKU I might drop them an email complaining about them not honouring the £199.99 price in June lol. Can't see it happening but if you don't ask you definitely won't get it lol :P
Are you sure they're honouring premiums at £199.99?
Seems unlikely.
Can't see you getting anywhere arguing the June orders, but let me know if you do ;)
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You also have to wonder that if the japanese converted price of a gamepad cost £110.. and the japanese converted cost of the base model was £209.. that means the Wii U console is actually only worth £100... :o
Would people of bought an upgraded Wii (no gamepad functionality) if it launched at £100... I can tell you now.. loads of people would have... I just cant comprehend the price of that gamepad.. its fucking bonkers LOL
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Aye, the whole "the controller's more expensive than the console" thing was my first reaction, and still has me scratching my head. If the console's effectively doing all the work and the gamepad's effectively just a controller with a relatively low resolution resistive touchscreen bolted on then how's it come in at over one hundred quid? It's a fisherprice toy ffs.
If you need to go directly to Ninty to get a replacement gamepad, should you break the one in your bundle, it definitely doesn't bode well for the prospect of 2 player any time soon. And if you need to wait more than 6 months after launch before you can play balance multiplayer you might as well wait to see what Sony and Microsoft come up with instead.
So disappointed with this launch.
I've maybe come across as a Nintendo hater in recent months, as I constantly belittle their console, but that's not the case. Most of the put downs are just me arguing the ridiculous over-the-top boasts Harv spouts. I like Nintendo, on the whole, I wanted this console to be good, and I was seriously considering buying it - provided my concerns could be assuaged and the price was reasonable. But they haven't been, and it isn't. :(
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The controller is only expensive in Japan by the looks of things, I've seen it for £40-50 at some places which is cheaper than I was expecting. I would have thought £70 or so, the same price as a remote and nunchuck at launch.
A bit weird you can't buy them separately at launch though.
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The controller is only expensive in Japan by the looks of things, I've seen it for £40-50 at some places...
If you can't buy it for that price then it ain't that price.
Can you buy it anywhere for that price? Course not - it ain't for sale.
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A few price/stock comparison sites:
wiipreorder.co.uk/ (http://www.wiipreorder.co.uk/)
consoledeals.co.uk (http://www.consoledeals.co.uk/nintendowiiu/)
wiiprices.co.uk (http://www.wiiprices.co.uk/stock-checker/)
wii-consoles.co.uk (http://www.wii-consoles.co.uk/wii-u/wii-u-preorder.asp)
console-price.co.uk (http://www.console-price.co.uk/nintendo-wii-u/?gclid=CPCzvL2btbICFYQXzQodxTcA9A)
(Credit to andy4diehard on hotukdeals)
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Nintendo have confirmed via a Tweet that the ZombiU bundle doesn't include Nintendo Land. Bollocks. >:(
Edit: Have just seen on another forum that Zavvi give you a 5% discount on your first order and they're doing the ZombiU bundle for £299.99 so you're already saving £20-30 compared to everywhere else before you take the 5% off. So I'll be getting the Black ZombiU bundle with 32GB of storage, stands, charging doc etc, ZombiU and a Pro controller for £285...assuming I'm making my first order...I may have ordered something from them before but can't remember. I've tried bunging in both of the emails I usually use into the Forgotten Password thingy and it says they're not registered...so fingers crossed lol :P
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If you have used them before but not recently you may have a 10% discount code in your spam folder - the hut group regularly email them to accounts that have been dormant for a while.
As mentioned, its part of a group - so most prices and offers apply to all (including zavvi thehut iwoot amongst others).
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32GB sounds a bit small... and that's the premium package?
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32GB sounds a bit small... and that's the premium package?
Yup, but they needed to cut costs after bunging so much RAM in and having the GPU they've chosen. Heat is also a major factor too. That's why they've also had an external power supply.
For casual gamers even 8GB will be enough for a while, and a fair amount of hardcore gamers will most likely have a spare hard drive lying around. There's also SDHC cards, flash drives and USB drives too, and unlike the PS3 there's no size or speed restrictions to worry about.
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Fucking hell, demand for the U in Japan is going to be bloody insane!!! (http://m.uk.ign.com/articles/2012/09/14/monster-hunter-3-to-be-bundled-with-wii-u-in-japan) :o
I thought they might launch with Monster Hunter as a bundle but a Beta of Dragon Quest X is going to be very tasty icing on a very nice cake.
You couldn't possibly get a more popular bundle over there, christ on a bike they won't be able to make the things quick enough :o
You might even find them importing stock from the States and Europe if it's available. And launching with Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate is going to guarantee that Miiverse is going to be absolutely heaving with Hunters.
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Heat was a deciding factor in opting to use a 32gb drive instead of a 250gb one? Roffles.
If you've got an 8gb drive you can't install anything. System files, profiles, game updates, and save files will eat through that in no time.
A 32gb drive might last a casual gamer for a couple of months (again, so long as they don't install or download any full games), but to all intents and purposes both are way too small.
The normal Premium set in Japan makes no sense. Who's going to buy it if it has no game included, and is a few quid cheaper than the MH3 bundle?
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Heat was a factor in Nintendo choosing on-board flash instead of an internal hard drive. ;)
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Why did they decide to go with USB 2.0 instead of USB 3.0 or eSata then... the bandwidth limitations of USB 2.0 will effect an external hard-drive in terms of lag and latency... internal hard-drives are far superior.. you'll also find that using flash memory instead of a hard-drive is also slower
Overall, nintendo went for the cheapest option available to them... nothing to do with heat at all... SSDs generate little to no heat, they didnt go with them because of cost too... I fully expect the nextbox to come equpped with SSDs and USB 3.0 as standard...
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Aye, I'm confused as to why Nintendo have done everything in their power to keep the console cost as low as possible - including cutting a lot of corners - and then have inlaid the gamepads with diamonds. (I'm guessing that's what they've done - I can see no other reason for them being more than £50 each.)
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Because they are more interested in trying to innovate than building a machine that is capable of great performance... quite simply, thats where nintendo think the money is.. building a peripheral that grabs peoples attention is exactly how they won last-gen... however, how fast did they burn out? - around 3-4 years before every man and his dog jumped ship.... extremely fast!
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Internal hard drives bung out a shitload of heat, as do internal power supplies. That's why the PS3 has size and speed restrictions for internal hard drives.
And of course they're trying to make the console as cheap as possible. If they had decided to release a console without doing that then we'd end up seeing a console costing £400+...and then you'd all be saying that the console is too expensive lol.
And there isn't a great deal inside the GamePad, it's just a dumb terminal with an NFC reader and motion detectors inside it. It won't be that expensive when it's available to buy separately. Platform holders always have a ridiculously high mark up on controllers but I can't see it being more expensive than a RemotePlus and Nunchuck combination. We're probably talking about £70 each.
Interesting news about the CPU (https://twitter.com/IBMWatson/status/247460688283463680), the general consensus of opinion was that the CPU was a PowerPC but now we have confirmation that the CPU is a custom Power7 after all. PowerPCs and Power CPUs are closely related though.
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And of course they're trying to make the console as cheap as possible. If they had decided to release a console without doing that then we'd end up seeing a console costing £400+...and then you'd all be saying that the console is too expensive lol.
Indeed.
Amazing, then, that Nintendo have come up with a console that's less than £100* and a controller that's "just a dumb terminal with an NFC reader and motion detectors inside it", have bundled it with one game and have the audacity to ask over £300 for it. (Okay, it's retailers asking that price, not Nintendo. Either way, it's overpriced)
You think we'll complain it's too expensive if it's £400+?
You're way off the mark. We think it's too expensive at £300.
*Based on the US basic bundle being $300 (£185) and the gamepad being ¥13,440 (£107) one can argue the console (plus two ac adapters and a hdmi cable) costs £78. Yeah, that's perhaps taking liberties with cost analysis. But not much.
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I personally think it's better to have the option of having your own choice of what to use as storage. A great deal of 'hardcore' gamers won't need to buy a USB drive because they already have one or more lying around the house, same with SD cards too.
And as I've already mentioned there's no limit to the size or speed of the drive either.
I'd much rather pay £299.99 for a U with 32GB of on-board flash than £399.99 or more for one with a 500GB internal drive that's twice the size and twice as loud.
Mind you, even if Nintendo managed to release a console with the same spec as the 720 with a 3TB hard drive and people would still find something to complain about lol ;D
Edit: Bah! No surprise but Amazon have refused to reinstate my £199.99 pre-order from June because it was made before the official pre-order date. Oh well, it was worth a go lol :P
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I'd much rather pay £299.99 for a U with 32GB of on-board flash than £399.99 or more for one with a 500GB internal drive that's twice the size and twice as loud.
If that was true, then surely you'd rather pay £229.99 for a basic U model with 8GB of on-board flash - LOL you wally ::)
Oh I forgot your paying that extra £70 for ZombiU which costs about £35 and a Pro Controller - which I dont get why you want.. surely you wont need it seeing as you only play on your own and you have existing wiimotes already... or maybe you think the gamepad and wiimotes aren't as accurate as dual thumbsticks - lol.
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I personally think it's better to have the option of having your own choice of what to use as storage.
Well of course you do. Nintendo did it so you think it's the best thing to do.
If, instead, they'd announced they were releasing the machine with a reasonable amount of storage you would be telling us how that was the right thing to do.
A base model with a small drive makes sense. A premium model with a reasonable amount of space makes sense. Nintendo eschewed that logic, though, and made a base model with a small drive and a premium model with a small drive.
The 32gb model makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
And as I've already mentioned there's no limit to the size or speed of the drive either.
Of course there's a limit to the speed - they've opted to go with USB2.
It's just like last gen when they gave the wii an SD slot - which was limited to SD and wouldn't take SDHC. They had a proper brain fart there.
I'd much rather pay £299.99 for a U with 32GB of on-board flash than £399.99 or more for one with a 500GB internal drive that's twice the size and twice as loud.
a) I'd much rather pay £200 than £300. Because the bundle's worth about £200.
b) Why not save yourself £70 and get the base model instead, then? [heh - I see Kieron beat me to that point while I was typing]
c) And how on earth do you come to the conclusion that using a 500gb 2.5" drive instead of a 32gb flash drive would add a hundred quid to the machine?! It'd add about £30, not £100 (based on 32gb flash drives being about £10 and 500gb portable drives approx £40. I've seen models of both retailing for around those prices. Nintendo could presumably get them a lot cheaper - the real price increase of putting a 500gb drive in instead of a 32gb one is probably closer to £20, but I'll round it up to £30.) Also, the drive would not double the size of the console, nor make it noisy. I use portable drives every day - they're small, generate no heat, are completely inaudible even if running non-stop for hours, and have perfectly adequate transfer speeds.
Mind you, even if Nintendo managed to release a console with the same spec as the 720 with a 3TB hard drive and people would still find something to complain about lol ;D
Yes they would. I'll even tell you what it is they'd complain about. It'd be the price - because Nintendo would be asking for two hundred quid more than Microsoft would.
Look at it this way. Since the 360's release in 2005 we've effectively now been asked the question:
do you want to wait 7 years for something that's twice as powerful - and costs £300; or
do you want to wait 8 years for something that's eight times as powerful - and costs £400?
If there was any sense in the world nobody would go with option a. There's a lot of idiots, though, with more money than sense; and there's a lot of parents under pressure to get the latest toys, so the U will sell - despite all rationale.
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I'd much rather pay £299.99 for a U with 32GB of on-board flash than £399.99 or more for one with a 500GB internal drive that's twice the size and twice as loud.
If that was true, then surely you'd rather pay £229.99 for a basic U model with 8GB of on-board flash - LOL you wally ::)
Oh I forgot your paying that extra £70 for ZombiU which costs about £35 and a Pro Controller - which I dont get why you want.. surely you wont need it seeing as you only play on your own and you have existing wiimotes already... or maybe you think the gamepad and wiimotes aren't as accurate as dual thumbsticks - lol.
I'm getting the Pro controller for when I have friends and family around. And buying one with 32GB of flash instead of 8GB means that I'll have enough storage to be getting on with.
As for late's points regarding the size and cost of the drive, it would cost an extra hundred quid or more because drives do produce heat. They're not magic lol. You'd need extra cooling, heat sinks and a redesign of the case for adequate air flow. And that's where the extra noise comes from too. If they could produce a SKU with a hard drive for an extra 20 quid they would have done so.
And the speed I was talking about was rpm, not data transfer. I'm also fine with USB 2.0 as well, although I would prefer 3.0, again, it's not a disaster.
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I don't claim to be an expert (unlike some) but you have some funny bloody ideas, you, Harv.
If a drive doesn't produce much heat it's got nothing to do with magic.
A 2.5 inch drive produces barely any heat, would not require a heat sink, and would be extremely unlikely to need a fan. Portable drives don't even have vents, and they don't get warm. It's possibly different if a drive's inside a hot machine and disrupting the air flow, of course, but would be unlikely to make any actionable difference and is going to be mainly down to poor design - ie don't put it where it's disrupting air flow.
And of course there are other options, such as solid state drives. (Yes, they produce heat - but you'd need an accurate device to detect it it's such a small amount.) I'd imagine Nintendo could get 64gb drives for about £20 each. They often retail for less than £30, now.
I think 64gb too small, tbh, but it makes a lot more sense than 32gb.
They could easily have put more storage inside the U without it becoming massive and noisy. I'm at a loss to see why they didn't.
Also don't get hung up on the size of the machine. Some people would prefer the machine to be fractionally bigger if it meant less wires and drives on their TV stand...
Nintendo are cutting corners on important things, and being frivolous on others. A reasonable sized drive was definitely a realistic option, without much cost etc. but they decided to save a few quid (not loads - literally just a few pounds) and go with something ridiculous instead. It should definitely support usb3.0 but again they've skimped on it to save pennies.
Why cut corners to save a few pence here and there, and then have the gamepad cost about £130? It makes no sense. How can a small low res screen strapped to a controller possibly cost that much?
Make your console a reasonable price and earn your fortune from games, Nintendo. That's how it's done. You've been in the game long enough to know that.
Don't try to make a massive profit on each machine. You tried that with the 3DS. See how well that turned out...
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We don't know how much the GamePad costs to buy because they aren't on sale yet. We've only been given a price for them in Japan. And you have to remember that platform holders normally have a huge markup on controllers. The BOM isn't that much, all you've got are the usual buttons, plastic casing, gyroscope, accelerometers, magnetometer, NFC reader, microphone, camera and a 6.2" resistive touchscreen. You're probably talking about 40 dollars at the most. They'll probably have it retailing in the States for $80 and over here for £70, which is around the same price as a remote and nunchuck combination when the Wii launched that absolutely nobody had a problem paying.
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I'm getting the Pro controller for when I have friends and family around.
Ahh, I didnt realise zombiU doesnt support wiimotes.. I guess without wiimote support and without dual gamepad support.. the only thing left to buy would be the pro controller to play the offline only multiplayer with other people... LMAO.. what a croc of shit!!! Wonder how many future games will be doing the same thing - dropping wiimote support.. I wouldnt be suprised if most games on the Wii U - the ones that aren't budget nor 1st party went with dual-thumbstick controls only...
How will you survive though after years of claiming that pointer controls were much faster and more accurate... LOL
And sorry, I agree with Late on the price of the gamepad - the Pro Controller seems to cost the same in pounds as it does in yen.. so dont see why the gamepad will be any different... thats the RRP price, so I doubt you'll see it retail for any less than £90 over here.
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We don't know how much the GamePad costs to buy because they aren't on sale yet. We've only been given a price for them in Japan.
No, we don't know how much the GamePad would cost over here, but we have to just go with the sources available - of which we have two:
A) we have Nintendo Japan announcing the gamepad as being around 13,440 yen (£107 - before 20% vat); and
B) we have you guessing it'll be about £70.
Either way, it doesn't matter one jot whether £70 or £130 of the £300 relates to the gamepad. £300 is too much to charge for a console that doesn't perform like a next gen platform should.
...which is around the same price as a remote and nunchuck combination when the Wii launched that absolutely nobody had a problem paying.
You really do just make this shit up as you go, don't you.
Recommended retail price was £29.99 for the wiimote at launch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_launch), and £14.99 for the nunchuck.
You could get them much cheaper if you shopped around, of course. I've just had a very quick look on HUKD and there were numerous deals getting you the wiimote for £22.79 and the nunchuck for £11.20, around December 2006/January 2007. That's £33.99 in total which is nowhere near £70!
And what makes you think nobody had a problem paying that much? I have a poor memory but even I remember the uproar about having to pay for primary controllers and then having to pay for peripheral controllers on top of that.
Not to mention the extra (optional) expense if you wanted traditional style wii controllers, or gamecube controllers.
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I'm getting the Pro controller for when I have friends and family around.
Ahh, I didnt realise zombiU doesnt support wiimotes.. I guess without wiimote support and without dual gamepad support.. the only thing left to buy would be the pro controller to play the offline only multiplayer with other people... LMAO.. what a croc of shit!!! Wonder how many future games will be doing the same thing - dropping wiimote support.. I wouldnt be suprised if most games on the Wii U - the ones that aren't budget nor 1st party went with dual-thumbstick controls only...
How will you survive though after years of claiming that pointer controls were much faster and more accurate... LOL
And sorry, I agree with Late on the price of the gamepad - the Pro Controller seems to cost the same in pounds as it does in yen.. so dont see why the gamepad will be any different... thats the RRP price, so I doubt you'll see it retail for any less than £90 over here.
Not sure if it does or not, I'd assume it does, but a few of my friends are more comfortable with using dual analogs than pointer controls. Same goes for local multiplayer without splitscreen for Black Ops too when I get it, I'm going to have to relegate myself to either the GamePad or the Pro to save myself having an unfair advantage over my mates and Black Ops has been confirmed to have pointer control support I think. 8)
Having local multiplayer without splitscreen is a major selling point for me, I really can't understand people getting behind splitscreen multiplayer so much, a bit pointless having it because you can always see where your opponent is. Daft imo. :-\
We'll have to wait and see regarding the price of having two GamePads, but like I've said they don't cost a great deal to make given what they're made of.
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I really can't understand people getting behind splitscreen multiplayer so much, a bit pointless having it because you can always see where your opponent is. Daft imo. :-\
Same team / co-op? :/
Clown.
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I really can't understand people getting behind splitscreen multiplayer so much, a bit pointless having it because you can always see where your opponent is. Daft imo. :-\
Same team / co-op? :/
Clown.
It's quite clear from my post I wasn't talking about players playing in the same team or playing co-op. The word 'opponent' was a bit of a giveaway ::)
Clown. ;)
The world and his wife, going by complaining on various forums when it isn't present in shooters, wants local splitscreen versus gameplay. I've always found it pointless, as I've already said, because you can always see where your opponent is at all times. No opportunity to sneak behind someone and melee-kill them.
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As you say - pointless. Which is why it's only reqested for coop play.
You ain't going to make things better if one person is on the telly and one is on gamepad, anyway, unless neither player can see the other's screen. Assuming most people have 2 tvs in their house they'd be better off buying two xboxes. They'd save a few quid, too...
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What late said, the guy with a gamepad can still see the tv lol. Anyone interested in local deathmatches does in on the pc via lan parties. These days people just play online, a feature missing in zombiu which is just not heard of in shooters these days, of course you'll probably think that it's a good thing lol
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Quite easy for one player to sit out of view of the telly. ::)
I've read a lot of gamers praising this aspect of Black Ops 2, there are plenty of Call of Duty players out there that want such a feature.
As for ZombiU, no online multiplayer is disappointing but I'd prefer a decent single player length to online multiplayer any day...although I'm expecting the inevitable sequel to have both. Last I heard the single player campaign is around 17 hours long, but a game like that is pretty difficult to gauge given how difficult it's going to be. Some people might do that in 10 hours I guess in a Speed Run, it's going to be interesting to hear how long Survivor Mode takes you to play once you've unlocked it.
The things that it's really got going for it is that the placement of stingers, number and placement of zombies is different every time and, as I mentioned, Survivor Mode where you have to start and finish the game without losing a life. That must be a real bitch to test lol :o :P ;D
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Quite easy for one player to sit out of view of the telly. ::)
That player would have to out of earshot of the telly to get no advantage really, so what, they would go out of the room?... then you might as well just bloody play online lol.
I dont think I've played local deatchmatches split-screens since the heady days of my youth playing goldeneye on the N64... but then online functionality wasn't about then, so there was no other choice...unless you had 3 or 4 tvs and consoles... if I had a choice nowadays.. I'd pick online versus multiplayer over local versus multiplayer any day of the week... and ZombiU doesnt support online play lol... I had loads of fun playing Left 4 Dead on the pc with about 6 of my good friends online a few nights a week... beats having them to all come over at the same time and be limited to 4 player matches locally.
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The sound isn't going to give anything away about where each player is, why would you have to have people away from earshot of each other..? ???
And you may not be interested in local multiplayer yourself but the option of local multiplayer without splitscreen has had a great deal of positive response from other people.
And, again, the lack of online multiplayer for ZombiU isn't ideal but it certainly doesn't appear to be a dealbreaker going by feedback I've read so far. Ubisoft simply haven't had the time to include it, but the lack of it hasn't stopped the title from being a system seller. And like I said, we'll see online multiplayer in the sequel. ;)
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Quite easy for one player to sit out of view of the telly. ::)
How's that going to work?
I'd imagine most people have the tv set up so that it's visible from pretty much the whole of their front room, and have their sofas pointed toward that side of the room.
Is one of the players going to take his gamepad and crouch down behind the telly?
Are people supposed to move their big plasma tellies and/or furniture around every time they want to play multiplayer?
...the option of local multiplayer without splitscreen has had a great deal of positive response from other people.
Care to back that up? Cos I call bullshit.
As Kieron says, if you want to play local competitive multiplayer you play on a LAN. (Personally I prefer to use the xboxes, most folk prefer to use pc.) It's the only real way to do it.
One person playing on a low resolution handheld whilst crouched behind the telly, playing against someone playing 1080p on the big telly is no comparison.
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The funny thing is.. I can actually picture harv with his gamepad crouched behind his tele shouting.. "no, its all good guys.. this is the future of gaming!!".. while the other guys have already got up and left the room 10 minutes ago lol.
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The funny thing is.. I can actually picture harv with his gamepad crouched behind his tele shouting.. "no, its all good guys.. this is the future of gaming!!".. while the other guys have already got up and left the room 10 minutes ago lol.
lol! I now have snot down my tie - thanks... ;D
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It's easy enough. Just turn your armchair around. Like I've said, I've seen plenty of people happy about having that as a feature. A load of people love splitscreen multiplayer ever since Goldeneye on the N64 years ago, but like I've said imo that's pretty pointless if you can see where your opponent is all the time. I've never seen the attraction myself personally. :-\
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It's like talking to a brick wall...
Nobody's arguing about splitscreen competitive multiplayer being silly. Of course it's perfectly ridiculous. Nobody here has said otherwise, yet you're trying to convert us to seeing it the way we already do!
In fact, nobody anywhere wants splitscreen competitive multiplayer. You keep saying everyone wants it, but I've seen no evidence of that and don't believe it for a second. Where are all these people who are crowing for splitscreen on a non-coop FPS?
It was acceptable in Goldeneye's day, back in 1997, because there weren't really many people who would have an alternative method of playing multiplayer. That was a LONG time ago, though.
As for turning your armchair around, that would probably work for some people. Not a significant number, though. I wouldn't imagine a high proportion of homes have armchairs in a position where you would happily rotate it on it's spot (or even move it at all) to put it in a position where it's (a) comfortable (ie your knees aren't now embedded in a wall); (b) impossible or very difficult to see the TV; and (c) impossible or very difficult for the other player to see your screen. And they'd do that every time they want to play a multiplayer game? And they'd be happy about playing on the low-res handheld?
Seriously - you want to play on LAN, if you're going to play a local competitive multiplayer game.
Look it up - it's jolly clever stuff, and has been around for a while... Every player can have a large high def screen, it's cheaper than getting a U, you can have more players, and it's balanced - unlike the U, which you're now claiming as the saviour to a problem that quite frankly doesn't exist.
Better still, play online. There's no excuse for a game like that not to be playable over the net.
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Wii U Premium £269.99 @ Sainsburys:
Link (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/wii-u-premium-269-99-sainsburys-entertainment-with-code-new-customers-only-1379101).
That's £299.99, less £30.00 code for new customers. If you're an existing customer you could try a new account. No guarantees it'd be accepted, and not sure if you'd get it for launch day.
Wii U Premium approx. £260.68 @ Amazon France:
Link (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/wii-u-premium-32gb-delivered-from-amazon-france-322-06-261-1358153).
€322.06 (approximately £261)
You'll need to switch the two plugs from 2 pin to 3 pin, or use adaptors, but other than that there should be be no difference between the UK and FRA consoles.
Not even remotely interested, personally, but might be of use to someone...
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The price crash continues. ;D
Zavvi are now trying to shift their Wii U premiums on eBay for £225 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Wii-U-Console-32GB-Nintendo-Land-Premium-Pack-Black-New-/350680200851?clk_rvr_id=432054004767)
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Really weird how it hasn't been selling so well in Europe, it's doing great in the States and Japan. Still, in terms of worldwide sales in its first 4 weeks it's outsold the PS3 and 360 in their first 4 weeks and has done 88% of the Wii's sales so as far as total sales goes it's been a resounding success so far ;D 8)
All they need to do now is keep sales momentum going until E3 next year.
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Of course it outsold the PS3 and 360. Much as with the Wii people but it when it first comes out to see if the gimmicks are worth it, quickly realise they aren't and it becomes an expensive dust magnet.
Sales will drop off dramatically within then next couple of months.
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Currently £225 with free next day delivery at Zavvi, for the Premium version (so matches the price they were shifting them for on eBay a couple of months back).
If you have a 10% code kicking around you can have it for approx £203.
(They send them out to people who've not ordered anything for a while, and there's referral codes either from your own account or from googling. Some codes are valid for hardware, some aren't.)
HUKD thread (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/wii-u-premium-224-99-inc-next-day-delivery-zavvi-1480175)
Direct link (http://www.zavvi.com/wii-u-hardware/wii-u-console-32gb-nintendo-land-premium-pack-black/10617661.html)
I'm semi-tempted at £203. The console doesn't much appeal, there's no decent exclusives, the multiplatform games are the same as (or worse than) the ps3/360 versions, and the whole asymmetrical gaming thing still stinks - but at that price you could play it, see what you're missing, decide whether you like it, then sell it for around £180 - so you're only £25 out of pocket (assuming used market stays steady at ~£180).
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If you do get one you need to get ZombiU, it's awesome...just make sure you have some clean underwear handy and don't play with crosshairs and aim-assist turned off unless you like a real challenge. I had to turn them both on again to complete the Arena, it was bloody impossible without them.
Sonic Racing Transformed is also excellent. The other games I've got you've probably already got for other platforms.
We've got Monster Hunter 3G Ultimate, Lego City Undercover and Aliens Colonial Marines coming up, the latter of which is what the E3 demos, trailers and developer walkthroughs were taken from apparently, which means it could be a completely different game compared to the shite that was released on other platforms. It's believed to be the lead platform for the 'next gen'versions that will be launch or launch window titles for the PS4 and 720...people that forked out for the crappy PS3 and 360 versions are going to be seriously pissed. :o
Trine 2, Little Inferno, Nano Assault Neo, The Cave and Mighty Switch Force are essential purchases in the eShop, and Zen Pinball 2 and Tank!Tank!Tank! are available as F2P games.
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Forgot to mention Darksiders 2, it's as cheap as chips now and includes all DLC plus 5+ hours of bonus content so is probably worth picking up even if you own it on another platform.
Scribblenauts is another exclusive worth picking up, haven't got it myself yet though.
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"Base" model has been reduced to £189.85 by ShopTo on ebay.
HUKD thread (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/nintendo-wii-u-console-8gb-white-basic-pack-189-95-shopto-ebay-1488091)
Direct link (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NINTENDO-WII-U-WIIU-8GB-WHITE-BASIC-CONSOLE-BRAND-NEW-SEALED-OFFICIAL-PAL-/170975683505?clk_rvr_id=454621384179)
Compares pretty well with the £225 Premium version at Zavvi.
Worth the extra £35 for the "Nintendo Land" game (available from Grainger for £25 new or £20 used) and some charge cradles? That's a judgement call.
Still not going near it with a barge pole, personally, but if the price keeps falling (and I'm sure it will) I'll probably end up picking one up - even though I'm sure it'll be gathering dust a few weeks later.
That's not a cue for you to tell us all how great the machine is and how awesome all the games are, Harv - we all know, and fully believe and agree with you.
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You're actually better off getting the Premium SKU if you're planning to buy stuff from the eShop. Much better value due to the vouchers you get.
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The price drop continues.
"Basic" SKU £178.99 @ Grainger (http://www.graingergames.co.uk/consoles/nintendo-wii-u/g16355-wii-u-console-8gb-white--basic-bundle)
HUKD (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/wii-u-basic-grainger-games-178-99-1499572)
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Wow, not even the PS3 was this bad with it's price drops...and this apparently the next big thing...lol
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Have you seen their sales figures for the states.. they are nothing short of woeful - but the trade price hasnt been cut.. its the retailers who are cutting the price and actually selling at a loss now to get the stock off their shelves - I think the trade price for the basic is around £200.
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Won't know what the sales figures in the States are like until later this week. The January NPD figures were affected by scalpers returning consoles they couldn't flog over Christmas. We'll probably see sales increasing this month and through the Summer when the likes of Monster Hunter, Lego City and other delayed titles such as Pikmin 3, Wii Fit, Wonderful 101 and Game & Wario are released.
We'll probably see a price cut in November along with the releases of 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8. I'm still expecting the Wii U to have an installed userbase between 10m and 15m before the end of the year despite the drop in sales after Christmas.
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I'm still expecting the Wii U to have died a death before the end of the year due to the drop in sales...
Corrected for you.
YW.
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Harv is now akin to playing "abide with me" whilst the titanic goes down
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Wait until the likes of Lego City Undercover, Monster Hunter 3G Ultimate, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101, Wii Fit and Game & Wario are released within the next few months, Nintendo cut the price in November in an attempt to scupper the launches of the PS4 and 720 which will also coincide with the launches of a 3D Mario, Mario Kart 8 and Wind Waker HD.
You'll see the Wii U having an installed userbase between 10m and 15m before the end of the calendar year and the 720 and especially the PS4 having problems with sales through the launch window, the same way the Wii U is having now. If the PS4 starts as badly as the PS3 did and the Vita continues to flop then Sony could end up going under :(
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Harv is now akin to playing "abide with me" whilst the titanic goes down
;D
States sales for the Wii U
Jan - 57k
Feb - 64k
360 sold 302k in February alone to put it in perspective.. the Wii U is also selling less in Japan than the Vita now too.. you can't deny the sales figures are pitiful harv
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Some people are still buying it?! :o
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I'm not denying the sales are poor, it's down to several launch/launch window titles being delayed. Like I've said above the launches of those titles I've listed above and a price cut in November combined with the launches of 3D Mario and Mario Kart 8 will make sales explode. They've managed to shift around 3m in 4 months and the Wii U will pick up sales momentum again through the Summer. It's going to have an installed userbase between 10m and 15m before the end of the year without a problem.
As for the previous gen consoles outselling the Wii U by a considerable margin, this always happens. The previous gen consoles are cheaper and have more software available. You'll see the PS4 and 720 having the same 'problem'.
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Lol, harv is still expecting sales of the Sinclair c5 to explode any time soon
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Base model £149.99 from ShopTo (via play.com)
direct link (http://www.play.com/Games/Wii/4-/19876327/Nintendo-Wii-U-Console-Basic-Set-White/Product.html?searchstring=&searchtype=allproducts&searchsource=2&searchfilters=ae212%7b652072,652073%7d%2b&urlrefer=search&fb=1)
hukd (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/nintendo-wii-u-console-8gb-white-149-99-play-com-via-shopto-1566538)
Was same price at Asda a few weeks ago.
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There might be some price cuts at Asda soon, for the Wii U console and for it's games. They've today announced (http://www.computerandvideogames.com/421340/asda-suspends-wii-u-stock/) they're no longer going to stock the console or it's software.
They've said they're not going to restock, so I'd imagine they'll run stock down at relatively low prices, and then do a clearance of anything left over after a few weeks (but that's just a guess).
(Cue Harv, to tell us how it's a suicidal move by Asda/Walmart, they're clueless, the board of directors should be sacked, and everyone should sell any shares they have, because the Wii U is doing fantastic and it's sales over the next six to twelve months will be sky-high...)
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They only sold it in-store in 100 stores anyway, MCV have contacted them and they said that they're still going to be selling them online and you can order them via the click and collect thingy and pick them up from your local store. They're out of stock online because they've sold out, not because they're dropping the Wii U altogether.
And it is a bit of a daft decision when you consider the software on the way. You'll be able to pick one up from them in-store again before Christmas due to the releases of Wii Fit U and Super Mario 3D World.
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They only sold it in-store in 100 stores anyway, MCV have contacted them and they said that they're still going to be selling them online and you can order them via the click and collect thingy and pick them up from your local store. They're out of stock online because they've sold out, not because they're dropping the Wii U altogether.
And it is a bit of a daft decision when you consider the software on the way. You'll be able to pick one up from them in-store again before Christmas due to the releases of Wii Fit U and Super Mario 3D World.
Have you forgotten there are 2 better consoles coming out this Christmas, along with a shedload of better games?
The PS4 will absolutely fly off the shelves at £350, and the Xbox One will give it solid competition thanks to the amount of U turns they made on their policies, even though it's a much higher price-point. Anyone who opts to go for a Wii U because of Wii Fit U over the PS4 with GTA5 is absolutely mad.
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The PS4 and One won't sell a great deal for several reasons:
1) The Wii U is cheaper with a superior software library despite the launch titles each console is getting
2) The PS3 and 360 are even cheaper than the Wii U and have a far superior software library
3) GTA V hasn't been announced for them yet, has it..? And neither console has backwards compatibility
and most importantly
4) Both consoles are going to be supply constrained at launch, Sony and Microsoft won't ship more than 2m of each console if previous console launches are anything to go by.
With regards to Wii Fit you may not be interested in buying it over GTA V but it will do fine. As will Super Mario 3D World.
It's going to take years for the PS4 and One to close the gap that a 1 year head start has given the Wii U - the 360 sold 5.5m in its first year and the PS3 has only recently overtaken it. The Wii U has sold around 4m already, should do 1m between now and 31st October and do 3m+ between 1st November and 31st December. That's a 6m gap assuming that Sony and Microsoft manage to ship that many and sell them all, which is doubtful. Microsoft are rumoured to have serious ESRAM yield problems. You probably won't see either one selling much more than 1.5m before the end of the year. For comparison's sake the 360 did around 1.5m and the PS3 did around 1.7m during their launch periods.
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Hmmmm, some of your arguments ALMOST hold water but then I remember your track record and run to the toilet before I wet myself laughing at you. Harv, you are the Titus Bramble of arguments.
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1) The Wii U is cheaper with a superior software library despite the launch titles each console is getting
More games does not equate to a superior software library.
The ps4 and xb1 will both have superior software libraries to the wiiu on launch day. Even if there's only one game available for each.
2) The PS3 and 360 are even cheaper than the Wii U and have a far superior software library
Indeed they do. Which is why I've seriously considered getting a ps3 quite a few times in the last few months. Cheap console and a fantastic back catalogue.
I've not given any real consideration to the Wii U.
The console has serious problems if all the newer consoles and all the older consoles look more appealing than it.
3) GTA V hasn't been announced for them yet, has it..?
Fingers crossed it'll come out on the new consoles, but no, it's not been announced yet. It's only been announced for the existing consoles. Well, the good ones anyway. (I'm fairly certain it will be released on the new consoles, but not straight away. Might be a year or so later.)
4) Both consoles are going to be supply constrained at launch,
That means both consoles will fly off the shelves, because demand is so much higher than supply that Sony and Microsoft can't make them fast enough. And you're saying that's a bad thing, and the Wii U is in the stronger position because they have hundreds of massive warehouses full of literally millions of consoles they can't sell.
Wow. You're right. Nintendo looks set for global domination.
With regards to Wii Fit you may not be interested in buying it over GTA V but it will do fine. As will Super Mario 3D World.
Yes, both should sell very well. To fat mums and to clueless parents of little kids, respectively.
How very hardcore.
It's going to take years for the PS4 and One to close the gap that a 1 year head start has given the Wii U
The Wii U will do okay. It'll plod along, picking up sales mainly to feckless parents, as well as being people's second machine. Sony and Microsoft make great machines that are fairly expensive and fairly divisive. Lots of people have both, but most don't. People might be able to stretch to £400 for their main gaming machine, but £400 for their second machine? Nope. £150 for a second machine is doable, and the Wii U sneaks into peoples' homes in that way, often as an impulse buy.
Doesn't change the fact it's ridiculously underpowered.
the 360 sold 5.5m in its first year and the PS3 has only recently overtaken it.
Relevance? Are you saying the ps3 took a long time to catch up with the 360 because it had a year head start? Because that's not really relevant when talking about the Wii U, is it. The 360 and the ps3 were similarly powerful and similarly popular, so were always likely to sell in similar numbers (so whoever got a head start would be ahead for a long time).
The Wii U is not similar to the ps4 and xb1 though. Those two are next gen machines.
The Wii U has sold around 4m already
No it hasn't.
source (http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/)
It's much closer to 3m.
Retailers are abandoning the console. Developers are abandoning the console.
It can't handle frostbite 2 or unreal engine 4. Anyone interested in playing games will want a ps4 or xb1.
The U will survive this generation by being a machine parents not into gaming will get for their kids, but if/when those kids are over 7yo or so they'll wish they had a Sony or Microsoft instead.
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The Wii U is capable of handling any modern engine... ::)
Just because DICE and Epic haven't provided support for it doesn't mean that the console is incapable of running them. Developers haven't requested support for those engines but that should change early next year when the Wii U has a sizable installed userbase.
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Laugh all you want, everything I've said above is true. Latte has a DX11-equivalent feature set including compute shaders and tesselation so will be able to handle the same UE4-driven games that the PS4 and One are running but will have slight downgrades - longer loading times, less AA, baked lighting and shadows and lower resolution. Think of the difference in eye candy quality between PC Medium settings and High/Very High settings.
We haven't got another Wii/PS3/360 situation in terms of the difference in power between the consoles this gen, and even more importantly the Wii U has the advantages that the Wii didn't have with having a standard rendering pipeline thanks to Nintendo's choice of GPU and it has a very similar architecture to the PS4 and One. It's going to be a great deal easier for developers to port between the Wii U/PS4/One than it currently is to port between the Wii U/PS3/360.
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Nintendo have today announced figures for the last quarter.
160k Wii U consoles sold. Wow! (That includes a truly impressive 10k in Europe.)
Are you taking spread-bets on your estimate of 8m sales by 31 December? I'll have me a bit of that.
They will get a bit of a boost at Christmas, despite the new machines coming out, but with 3.30m unit sales to date and current sales around 0.05m per month they ain't going to get even remotely close to 8m.
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Software sells consoles. ;) The Wii U has a very strong Q3 and Q4 lineup. If my estimations are off they won't be off by too much.
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There appears to be a good reduction of a decent bundle at John Lewis online - but online ordering isn't currently possible...
Nintendo Wii U - 8GB Basic Pack
Bundled with New Super Mario Bros. U, Mario Mascot and 8GB SD Card, White
Was £234.95, then £159.95, Now £149.95
johnlewis (http://www.johnlewis.com/search/wii-u/6000450847-consoles+=department)
That link shows you the three available Wii U console offers on the site, but when you click them the pages are not found.
Might be possible to order over the telephone. Might be same price instore.
Worth a look if anyone fancies picking up the console for the kids any time soon. (Or wants to play it themselves, lol.)
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2013/14 Q2 figures (July to September) show the Wii U is still losing money hand over fist - though Nintendo did turn a tiny profit, thanks to exchange rate movement in the period. Apparently most of their losses are down to the hundreds of millions spent on marketing the U. (wtf? They've been marketing it?!)
300k Wii U consoles sold this quarter.
So they're now at approx 3.9m unit sales to date (so the 3.3m I noted last quarter must've been wrong - it presumably should've said 3.6m)
Nintendo still predict 9m sales by 31 March 2014. And Harv probably still predicts 8m sales by 31 December 2013.
I think they're both way off the money.
There's been decent price cuts lately, and the console has a couple of decent titles these days, with more to come - and sales will naturally pick up in November/December as people buy xmas pressies... but I can't see them doubling their userbase between now and new year. No chance.
*according to Wikipedia, 3.91m @ 30/09/13
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Nope, I revised my 8m prediction down to 7m after the delay of Donkey Kong. I won't be too far off if I'm wrong.
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Because Donkey Kong Arctic Jungles (or whatever it's called) was going to shift a million consoles?... (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl2.gif)
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lol.. don't forget harvs original estimate of 10-15m too.. ;D as soon as the real next gen machines come out, the Wii U sales will slump even further.. but will rise over the xmas period naturally and then slumping again miserably come January.. The PS4 will outsell the Wii U in less than 6 months and the X1 will take 9-15 months to outsell it (mainly due to its higher price point)... heard it here first!
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Because Donkey Kong Arctic Jungles (or whatever it's called) was going to shift a million consoles?... (http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/images/smilies/rofl2.gif)
Yup, it would have sold a million consoles. Particularly around Christmas, it's a big name franchise with a strong following among Nintendo fans. Without it we'll see the Wii U having an installed userbase over 7m before the end of the year.
And my original 10-15m estimate was buggered by a ridiculous 9 month software drought which NO-ONE was expecting.
It'll be 7m+ before the end of the year with Donkey Kong and Mario Kart 8 continuing momentum early next year.
As for the PS4 and One, they're both going to be supply constrained at launch and probably during the launch window. Sony and Microsoft will be lucky to ship more than 2m units worldwide before the end of the year. The PS3 sold 1.7m and the 360 sold 1.5m during their respective launch periods.
Some people are going to be surprised (and not pleasantly) by the sales of both the PS4 and One during their launch and launch window periods. As for outdoing the Wii U's total sales, you might want to remember that the 360 had a 5.5m head start over the Wii and PS3 and it's only recently been overtaken by the PS3. It'll take a couple of years at least before the PS4 or One sell more than the Wii U's total sales.
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Yup, it would have sold a million consoles. Particularly around Christmas, it's a big name franchise with a strong following among Nintendo fans. Without it we'll see the Wii U having an installed userbase over 7m before the end of the year.
Don't be bloody ridiculous. Donkey Kong Winter Desert would NOT have sold a million consoles. It wouldn't have sold half a million consoles. It wouldn't have sold a hundred thousand consoles.
They might have shifted about 300k copies of the software. (That's me being pretty generous. 300k would have made it one of the highest selling games on the console. But Donkey Kong isn't one of Nintendo's biggest or most popular IPs, and from what I've seen people aren't that keen for this particular instalment. But I'll be generous and say it'd shift 300k.) Of those 300k, at least 80% would be people who already own the console. (Again I'm being ridiculously generous there. It's more likely significantly over 90% of sales would be to pre-existing U owners, but I'll be ridiculously generous and say only 80%.
So if it sells 300k units and 20% of those are buying a console to play it on, Donkey Kong might have sold 60k consoles. Probably wouldn't be that many (20k is a much more reasonable estimate imo) but I've been generous throughout those calculations.
Not a million. Not even remotely close to a million.
Not in the same ballpark.
Not even close to that ballpark.
That ballpark is so far away it's over the horizon.
And my original 10-15m estimate was buggered by a ridiculous 9 month software drought which NO-ONE was expecting.
Your original 10-15m estimate was buggered by your mind-boggling bias toward Nintendo in recent years, your lack of understanding of the typical "gamer" demographic, current market forces, Nintendo's abject apathy toward marketing, and a lack of decent games on the platform.
It'll be 7m+ before the end of the year with Donkey Kong and Mario Kart 8 continuing momentum early next year.
Not even close.
As for the PS4 and One, they're both going to be supply constrained at launch and probably during the launch window. Sony and Microsoft will be lucky to ship more than 2m units worldwide before the end of the year.
Supply seems pretty fine, tbh. I believe you can still get both machines on launch day (though you'd need to shop around).
I don't think the ps4 or xb1 will sell very well in their first six months or so, though. Not because of supply limitations, nor because of competition from Nintendo (lolz), but primarily because there's not much reason to upgrade from current gen to next gen for the average gamer. The games aren't enough to make people upgrade, and the non-gaming elements aren't massive system sellers.
The PS3 sold 1.7m and the 360 sold 1.5m during their respective launch periods.
Completely irrelevant.
The market and the world in general are very different to eight years ago.
Some people are going to be surprised (and not pleasantly) by the sales of both the PS4 and One during their launch and launch window periods.
Agreed.
As for outdoing the Wii U's total sales, you might want to remember that the 360 had a 5.5m head start over the Wii and PS3 and it's only recently been overtaken by the PS3.
Irrelevant.
It'll take a couple of years at least before the PS4 or One sell more than the Wii U's total sales.
Agreed. Mainly because the ps4 and xb1 are expensive, whereas the U is falling into impulse-buy territory for a lot of people - and in most marketplaces cheap crap will outsell expensive top-end stuff.
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EA thinks that combined sales of X1 + PS4 will topple 10m come the end of the fiscal year (March). (http://www.videogamer.com/xboxone/battlefield_4/news/ea_expects_10m_ps4_xbox_one_hardware_sales_by_march_2014.html)
I'll be predicting the Wii U will be nearing 6m by March 2014 - Nintendo still predict 9m - but then Nintendo have missed every single target they predicted since the Wii U released by a long shot... they have done less than 500k in the last 6 months... so predicting 5 million in the next 6 months just seems a bit off to me...
So if this prediction from EA holds any kind of substance.. we could see the PS4 overtake the Wii U in sales in a realistic timeframe of 6-12 months. The quicker it happens, the more deep doggy doo-doo Nintendo will be in.
Although I think the PS4 will win next-gen.. if the X1 was priced the same as the PS4 - I actually think sales would be more even.. that extra £80 will do significant damage to the X1 sales when Sony actually start pulling their thumb out of their ass and actually release some PS4 games people want to play.
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Ouch. It'd be a big nail in Nintendo's coffin if the U were overtaken within a year.
They'll be living off first party titles. Publishers might make stripped down versions of multi-platform games if there's a big market, but they're unlikely to make them for a small niche platform where cheap party shovelware tends to outsell big releases.
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What on earth makes you think that the Wii U won't even come close to doing 7m before the end of the year..? It's sold 3.9m now, even if it only matches the 3m that it sold last Christmas shopping season that's 6.9m units sold worldwide. 3m sales during the Christmas shopping season for a console that isn't supply constrained, is cheaper than the PS4 and One, has several cheap pieces of software available for it now and has 2 big system sellers in Super Mario 3D World and Wii Fit U released in the same timeframe is a conservative estimate. It'll probably do more.
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It's not gonna sell 3m when there are two far superior consoles on the market is it Harv. Engage your brain for once. It might be cheaper, but then so are Tesco Value crisps. Doesn't stop me buying Walkers or McCoy's.
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I look forward to your batty excuses when Nintendo's figures are published in January, are well below your expectations, and you still insist you're not wrong - they'll sell loads in the next few months.
Tell us more about how Donkey Kong Antarctic Heatwave would've sold a million consoles. ;D
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It's easily going to do at least 3m between now and the end of the year. Wii Fit U and Super Mario 3D World are going to be huge system sellers on their own even before you take Christmas shopping into account. You think the world and his wife are going to buy a PS4 or One instead..? Where's the stock going to come from..? :o Even if Sony and Microsoft manage to get more than 2m consoles on shop shelves (which imo is doubtful) they'll be sold out quicker than you can blink leaving the Wii U as an attractive alternative that's cheaper and actually available to buy.
3m sales over the Christmas shopping season (which remember includes Black Friday in the States) would actually be poor sales for a console seeing its second Christmas. :-\
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Sony and Microsoft [will] be sold out quicker than you can blink leaving the Wii U as an attractive alternative that's cheaper and actually available to buy.
All the fit birds are taken. It's the end of the night, and I'm drunk. I'll settle for that 3/10 I've been avoiding all night. Any hole's a goal...
No, Harv, the Wii U isn't an attractive alternative.
What sort of Xmas shopper is going to go looking for a next gen console, find they're out of stock, and go "Oh well, not to worry - I'll get a last gen machine instead. But not one of those last gen machines that's got hundreds of good games. No, I'll buy the updated version of that console I bought a few years back then didn't play..."?
Edit: damned autocorrect
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Most gamers we're talking about will already own a PS3 and/or 360. It's all in the software available at the end of the day. The launch lineups are pretty weak for the PS4 and One (by several people's admission in the Video Games thread) and the Wii U already has several exclusives, most available at a bargain price, and more on the way before Christmas and next year that will attract people looking for a new console:
NSMB U
NSL U
ZombiU
Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate
Lego City Undercover
The Wonderful 101
Pikmin 3
The Wonderful 101
Wind Waker HD
Wii Sports Club
Wii Fit U
Super Mario 3D World
And the following next year:
Yarn Yoshi
SMT x Fire Emblem
X
Bayonetta 2
Mario Kart 8
Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze
SSBU
Donkey Kong and Mario Kart 8 will continue sales momentum after Christmas and SSBU will sell an absolute shitload of consoles before Christmas next year, and you've got to remember that the PS4 and One will go into their own sales slumps after Christmas as well as both going through their own obligatory software droughts that every single video games console ever released has suffered from. It's going to take years for the PS4 and One to catch up and overtake the sales of the Wii U, and the 3m+ sales this Christmas will ensure that the Wii U will get third party support going into next year.
Just cast your mind back to the 360. It had a 5.5m head start and it's not that long since the PS3 overtook it. Nintendo, love them or hate them, have the biggest stable of system selling IPs in the business. All they have to do is throw out another Mario game and that's money in the bank. We'll see that with Super Mario 3D World, Mario Kart 8 and SSBU.
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You've switched tack again. Your argument was that the Wii U will do well because of supply issues for the ps4 and the xb1, but now you're arguing it's going to do better because of it's games?
No matter - I'm happy to analyse both scenarios. Boring day at work...
Going with your "supply constraints" argument (and I'm not convinced there will be any, since you can still order both machines for launch day):
I have two consoles set up on my tv. A 360 and a wii. The 360 gets played almost every day. The wii has been turned on about three times in the last three years.
If I hadn't already preordered, and I went out to buy a new ps4 or xb1 in November or December only to find there's none anywhere - and I won't be able to get either until around February, I think it's safe to say I have three options at that point...
a) Just wait - stick with what I have for now, and keep an eye out for a next gen console;
b) Buy a Wii U, and look at the next gen consoles in a few months' time; or
c) Buy a Playstation 3, and look at the next gen consoles in a few months' time.
Despite the fact the U has finally got a couple of decent games, of those three options buying a Wii U is definitely the least attractive.
I'd be torn between sticking with what I have, and keeping an eye out for stock of a decent console, or buying a ps3 - which is slightly cheaper than the U but has a much better catalogue.
In a toss up between ZombiU, MH3, Lego City, Wonderful 101 (so great you included it twice); and Hard Rain, Uncharted, Infamous, LBP, Journey, and Last of Us the ps3 beats the wii U hands down - with the added benefit of it being cheaper for the console, cheaper for the games, and I'd probably get a ps+ subscription and enjoy loads of other games for free.
It's similar for people with a 360. They'd be better off getting a 360 than getting a U.
Ignoring your "supply constraints" argument:
In a toss up between the Wii U or a next gen machine, the three options all have a lack of quality games available in 2013. Each has a small handful. The Wii U certainly has more games - though not many considering how long it's been out. As to whether it has better games - well that's subjective. I can see that one going either way. Clearly you'd argue the Wii U has the better games, and most other people would argue the opposite, but that's largely brand loyalty. (Don't bother telling us about the fantastic games catalogue you now have. Nobody's interested in Mario bums Pikmin Hunter 3.)
The 2013 line-up is pretty even - but 2013 is nearly finished, and we're forward looking people, so lets look to 2014 and beyond. 2014's games lineup for the various consoles isn't going to be as even. It's going to be a succession of quality games for the ps4 and xb1 all year, and a small handful of half-decent games for the Wii U. 2015 onwards, the Wii U will be getting one or two half-decent games a year, and the other consoles will be getting several of them every month.
Conclusion - any attraction the Wii U has (there's not much for most folk) fades into insignificance when you look at it's future.
Either way you look at it, the Wii U is a bad purchase.
It's like you're arguing the merits of HD-DVD over Blu-ray, here.
We all know it's got it's plus points, and films for it are cheap (if you can find them), but it's a dead format. Yes, you could get a player and two dozen films for a fraction of the cost of buying a blu-ray and a handful of films - but any decent films that come out in the next 5-10 years will be on BD and won't be on HD-DVD. It has no future.
And that was despite the HD-DVD actually being a technologically superior machine to the Blu-ray.
The Wii U is in a similar position to HD-DVD - except it's the technologically massively inferior machine...
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Well we'll have to wait and see who's right, but I'm quite confident. ;)
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I was thinking along the same lines in regards to the limited amount of machines that will be available prior to xmas..
Most gamers we're talking about will already own a PS3 and/or 360.
This is what will hurt the Wii U prospective sales.. anyone that already owns one of those systems has already had a year to buy a Wii U - and they haven't.. in fact its the opposite, the 360 and PS3 have been raping the Wii U in sales since it was released. More people want to play on the 360/PS3 than they do the Wii U - its a fact reflected in sales.. I think its quite sensible to suggest that the majority of people that don't buy an X1/PS4 at launch, will just continue on with their 360/PS3. I'd even go as far to suggest that the Wii U could track lower in sales than the 360 and PS3 again this Christmas - which would be astonishingly bad.
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It wouldn't be astonishingly bad, this always happens at the start of every generation. You'll have the previous generation consoles outselling the current generation consoles for a while. The only exceptions are the Xbox when the 7th generation startedaand the Wii when the 8th generation started because both Microsoft and Nintendo effectively killed off their previous gen consoles to ensure that their current generation consoles would sell.
What people seem to forget is that the Wii U had a very successful launch, the problem with the console has been the software drought that it suffered from the launch window onwards. It will have sold over 4m by the time the PS4 and One are released, and while those sales should be better it's going to take years for the PS4 and One to catch up, particularly after Wii Sports Club, Super Mario 3D World, Wii Fit U, Donkey Kong, Mario Kart 8 and SSBU are released.
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What you seem to forget is that the Wii U had a year's head start to get it's shit together. It was always known from day one that the ps4 and the xb1 would be following about a year later, even though they hadn't been announced, and that both would blow the U out of the water - so it was imperative that Nintendo make the most of that year's head start. Number one priority: get the console into as many homes as possible in the next twelve months.
They needed to be in a position where, come November 2013, 7 or 8 million people already have the Wii U, and everyone else is faced with a decision - do I buy the Wii U with it's 20-30 AAA titles under it's belt, or do I buy the next gen machines that'll have 2-3 great titles.
They didn't just mess that year's head start up. They fucked it up in quite epic style, by bringing out virtually no games, and by failing to market it at all.
Now they're in the horrendous position of having a console that's only got a handful of good titles, squaring up against two behemoths each with a couple of games and a much rosier future.
Yes, Wii Sports/Fit, and Mario will be fairly popular - but they pale in comparison to The Crew, Titanfall, Dead Rising 3, Infamous, The Division, Witcher 3, Quantum Break, etc...
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I don't disagree with that at all. They have fucked things up early on, but now that they've got their act together in terms of actually releasing first and second party games for it the sales will follow, starting this Christmas shopping season. They'll have a steady stream of first and second party titles releasing for the console from now onwards. And once those hardware sales start rolling in you'll see third party support growing, starting next year.
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Nintendo Wii U 32gb Premium Bundle Including New Super Mario Bros U + New Super Luigi U
£199.99 via Play.com - retailer is ShopTo
Both games are physical, on a single disk.
play.com (http://www.play.com/stores/ShopTo/listing/884882390)
hukd (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/wii-u-32gb-premium-including-new-super-mario-bros-u-199-99-play-sold-shopto-1706909)
Tis moving toward a reasonable price lately.
(TBH they could drop this package to £150 and I probably wouldn't bite now - but only because I've got the One preordered.)
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Argos, Wii U Premium 32GB Pack (Black) bundle including four games - £249.99
Nintendo Land + Sports Connection + Rabbids Land + NBA 2K13.
Not the greatest collection of games, but it's an option for anyone wanting to give the kids a console with a few games...
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argos (http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9128842.htm) (you need to scroll down the page to add the games for free).
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Wii U basic spotted instore in pcworld/currys for £129.91
It's unclear whether it's a nationwide deal or store specific - nor whether many places actually stock it.
hukd (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/wii-u-8gb-basic-pc-world-currys-instore-for-129-91-1831016)
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Nintendo Wii U Premium Zelda Wind Waker Pack £220.00 @ Amazon.co.uk
(Can be had a little cheaper if you're a Flubbit member. I hear £209.)
Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00EZMPY0A/ref=nosim/?tag=dealspwn00-21&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE)
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(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pbY7g8jDL._SX385_.jpg)
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Now the same price for the Mario Kart 8 bundle, if you'd rather that.
Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Nintendo-Premium-Pack-Mario-Kart/dp/B00E4LGGY0/)
hukd (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/nintendo-wii-u-premium-pack-with-mario-kart-8-220-amazon-1887445)
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Wind Waker HD is absolutely gorgeous. One of the best looking current gen titles out there at the moment. Good use of Ambient Occlusion, makes your little ship look like it's made of clay. Great use of the GamePad too.
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HMV are doing Zelda and Lego City bundles for £150 (http://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/wii-u-bundles-zelda-lego-hmv-149-99-1903356) and John Lewis are price matching according to hotukdeals :o
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Wii U Premium with four games for £189.95 at The Game Collection
Batman
Your Fitness
Nintendoland
Game party champions
Not the best group of games, mind...
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