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Re: Wii U pricing
« Reply #135 on: July 31, 2013, 02:14:18 PM »
Nintendo have today announced figures for the last quarter.
160k Wii U consoles sold. Wow! (That includes a truly impressive 10k in Europe.)

Are you taking spread-bets on your estimate of 8m sales by 31 December? I'll have me a bit of that.

They will get a bit of a boost at Christmas, despite the new machines coming out, but with 3.30m unit sales to date and current sales around 0.05m per month they ain't going to get even remotely close to 8m.
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« Reply #136 on: July 31, 2013, 02:21:58 PM »
Software sells consoles. ;) The Wii U has a very strong Q3 and Q4 lineup. If my estimations are off they won't be off by too much.
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Re: Wii U pricing
« Reply #137 on: September 04, 2013, 09:42:04 AM »
There appears to be a good reduction of a decent bundle at John Lewis online - but online ordering isn't currently possible...
Nintendo Wii U - 8GB Basic Pack
Bundled with New Super Mario Bros. U, Mario Mascot and 8GB SD Card, White
Was £234.95,    then £159.95, Now £149.95


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That link shows you the three available Wii U console offers on the site, but when you click them the pages are not found.
Might be possible to order over the telephone. Might be same price instore.
Worth a look if anyone fancies picking up the console for the kids any time soon. (Or wants to play it themselves, lol.)
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Re: Wii U pricing
« Reply #138 on: October 30, 2013, 11:53:58 AM »
2013/14 Q2 figures (July to September) show the Wii U is still losing money hand over fist - though Nintendo did turn a tiny profit, thanks to exchange rate movement in the period. Apparently most of their losses are down to the hundreds of millions spent on marketing the U. (wtf? They've been marketing it?!)


300k Wii U consoles sold this quarter.
So they're now at approx 3.9m unit sales to date (so the 3.3m I noted last quarter must've been wrong - it presumably should've said 3.6m)

Nintendo still predict 9m sales by 31 March 2014. And Harv probably still predicts 8m sales by 31 December 2013.
I think they're both way off the money.
There's been decent price cuts lately, and the console has a couple of decent titles these days, with more to come - and sales will naturally pick up in November/December as people buy xmas pressies... but I can't see them doubling their userbase between now and new year. No chance.





*according to Wikipedia, 3.91m @ 30/09/13
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Re: Wii U pricing
« Reply #139 on: October 30, 2013, 12:43:51 PM »
Nope, I revised my 8m prediction down to 7m after the delay of Donkey Kong. I won't be too far off if I'm wrong.
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« Reply #140 on: October 30, 2013, 02:41:33 PM »
Because Donkey Kong Arctic Jungles (or whatever it's called) was going to shift a million consoles?...
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Re: Wii U pricing
« Reply #141 on: October 30, 2013, 03:48:57 PM »
lol.. don't forget harvs original estimate of 10-15m too..  ;D as soon as the real next gen machines come out, the Wii U sales will slump even further.. but will rise over the xmas period naturally and then slumping again miserably come January..  The PS4 will outsell the Wii U in less than 6 months and the X1 will take 9-15 months to outsell it (mainly due to its higher price point)... heard it here first!

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Re: Wii U pricing
« Reply #142 on: October 30, 2013, 06:46:13 PM »
Because Donkey Kong Arctic Jungles (or whatever it's called) was going to shift a million consoles?...

Yup, it would have sold a million consoles. Particularly around Christmas, it's a big name franchise with a strong following among Nintendo fans. Without it we'll see the Wii U having an installed userbase over 7m before the end of the year.

And my original 10-15m estimate was buggered by a ridiculous 9 month software drought which NO-ONE was expecting.

It'll be 7m+ before the end of the year with Donkey Kong and Mario Kart 8 continuing momentum early next year.

As for the PS4 and One, they're both going to be supply constrained at launch and probably during the launch window. Sony and Microsoft will be lucky to ship more than 2m units worldwide before the end of the year. The PS3 sold 1.7m and the 360 sold 1.5m during their respective launch periods.

Some people are going to be surprised (and not pleasantly) by the sales of both the PS4 and One during their launch and launch window periods. As for outdoing the Wii U's total sales, you might want to remember that the 360 had a 5.5m head start over the Wii and PS3 and it's only recently been overtaken by the PS3. It'll take a couple of years at least before the PS4 or One sell more than the Wii U's total sales.
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Re: Wii U pricing
« Reply #143 on: October 31, 2013, 10:14:23 AM »
Yup, it would have sold a million consoles. Particularly around Christmas, it's a big name franchise with a strong following among Nintendo fans. Without it we'll see the Wii U having an installed userbase over 7m before the end of the year.

Don't be bloody ridiculous. Donkey Kong Winter Desert would NOT have sold a million consoles. It wouldn't have sold half a million consoles. It wouldn't have sold a hundred thousand consoles.

They might have shifted about 300k copies of the software. (That's me being pretty generous. 300k would have made it one of the highest selling games on the console. But Donkey Kong isn't one of Nintendo's biggest or most popular IPs, and from what I've seen people aren't that keen for this particular instalment. But I'll be generous and say it'd shift 300k.) Of those 300k, at least 80% would be people who already own the console. (Again I'm being ridiculously generous there. It's more likely significantly over 90% of sales would be to pre-existing U owners, but I'll be ridiculously generous and say only 80%.
So if it sells 300k units and 20% of those are buying a console to play it on, Donkey Kong might have sold 60k consoles. Probably wouldn't be that many (20k is a much more reasonable estimate imo) but I've been generous throughout those calculations.
Not a million. Not even remotely close to a million.
Not in the same ballpark.
Not even close to that ballpark.
That ballpark is so far away it's over the horizon.

And my original 10-15m estimate was buggered by a ridiculous 9 month software drought which NO-ONE was expecting.
Your original 10-15m estimate was buggered by your mind-boggling bias toward Nintendo in recent years, your lack of understanding of the typical "gamer" demographic, current market forces, Nintendo's abject apathy toward marketing, and a lack of decent games on the platform.

It'll be 7m+ before the end of the year with Donkey Kong and Mario Kart 8 continuing momentum early next year.
Not even close.

As for the PS4 and One, they're both going to be supply constrained at launch and probably during the launch window. Sony and Microsoft will be lucky to ship more than 2m units worldwide before the end of the year.
Supply seems pretty fine, tbh. I believe you can still get both machines on launch day (though you'd need to shop around).
I don't think the ps4 or xb1 will sell very well in their first six months or so, though. Not because of supply limitations, nor because of competition from Nintendo (lolz), but primarily because there's not much reason to upgrade from current gen to next gen for the average gamer. The games aren't enough to make people upgrade, and the non-gaming elements aren't massive system sellers.

The PS3 sold 1.7m and the 360 sold 1.5m during their respective launch periods.
Completely irrelevant.
The market and the world in general are very different to eight years ago.

Some people are going to be surprised (and not pleasantly) by the sales of both the PS4 and One during their launch and launch window periods.
Agreed.

As for outdoing the Wii U's total sales, you might want to remember that the 360 had a 5.5m head start over the Wii and PS3 and it's only recently been overtaken by the PS3.
Irrelevant.

It'll take a couple of years at least before the PS4 or One sell more than the Wii U's total sales.
Agreed. Mainly because the ps4 and xb1 are expensive, whereas the U is falling into impulse-buy territory for a lot of people - and in most marketplaces cheap crap will outsell expensive top-end stuff.
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Re: Wii U pricing
« Reply #144 on: October 31, 2013, 11:01:27 AM »
EA thinks that combined sales of X1 + PS4 will topple 10m come the end of the fiscal year (March).

I'll be predicting the Wii U will be nearing 6m by March 2014 - Nintendo still predict 9m - but then Nintendo have missed every single target they predicted since the Wii U released by a long shot... they have done less than 500k in the last 6 months... so predicting 5 million in the next 6 months just seems a bit off to me...

So if this prediction from EA holds any kind of substance.. we could see the PS4 overtake the Wii U in sales in a realistic timeframe of 6-12 months.  The quicker it happens, the more deep doggy doo-doo Nintendo will be in.

Although I think the PS4 will win next-gen.. if the X1 was priced the same as the PS4 - I actually think sales would be more even.. that extra £80 will do significant damage to the X1 sales when Sony actually start pulling their thumb out of their ass and actually release some PS4 games people want to play.

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Re: Wii U pricing
« Reply #145 on: October 31, 2013, 11:49:02 AM »
Ouch. It'd be a big nail in Nintendo's coffin if the U were overtaken within a year.
They'll be living off first party titles. Publishers might make stripped down versions of multi-platform games if there's a big market, but they're unlikely to make them for a small niche platform where cheap party shovelware tends to outsell big releases.
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Re: Wii U pricing
« Reply #146 on: October 31, 2013, 04:52:23 PM »
What on earth makes you think that the Wii U won't even come close to doing 7m before the end of the year..? It's sold 3.9m now, even if it only matches the 3m that it sold last Christmas shopping season that's 6.9m units sold worldwide. 3m sales during the Christmas shopping season for a console that isn't supply constrained, is cheaper than the PS4 and One, has several cheap pieces of software available for it now and has 2 big system sellers in Super Mario 3D World and Wii Fit U released in the same timeframe is a conservative estimate. It'll probably do more.
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Re: Wii U pricing
« Reply #147 on: October 31, 2013, 06:40:57 PM »
It's not gonna sell 3m when there are two far superior consoles on the market is it Harv. Engage your brain for once. It might be cheaper, but then so are Tesco Value crisps. Doesn't stop me buying Walkers or McCoy's.

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Re: Wii U pricing
« Reply #148 on: October 31, 2013, 08:14:21 PM »
I look forward to your batty excuses when Nintendo's figures are published in January, are well below your expectations, and you still insist you're not wrong - they'll sell loads in the next few months.

Tell us more about how Donkey Kong Antarctic Heatwave would've sold a million consoles.  ;D
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Re: Wii U pricing
« Reply #149 on: October 31, 2013, 09:14:50 PM »
It's easily going to do at least 3m between now and the end of the year. Wii Fit U and Super Mario 3D World are going to be huge system sellers on their own even before you take Christmas shopping into account. You think the world and his wife are going to buy a PS4 or One instead..? Where's the stock going to come from..? :o Even if Sony and Microsoft manage to get more than 2m consoles on shop shelves (which imo is doubtful) they'll be sold out quicker than you can blink leaving the Wii U as an attractive alternative that's cheaper and actually available to buy.

3m sales over the Christmas shopping season (which remember includes Black Friday in the States) would actually be poor sales for a console seeing its second Christmas. :-\
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